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My first Cycle. Too much? Not enough?

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Hi eroiders!

First I am 27, around 10 years of training, I am actualy personal trainer, 5'9, 192 lbs, I would say 12 or 13 BF not too sure... its been almost 2 years that I am reading on forums about steroids, cycle, pct, diet....

here is my first cycle that I ll start only when I ll be SURE that all is ok for you and for me of course!

CENSORED LOL

PCT

day 1 100mg clomid/40mg Nolva
day 2-11 100mg clomid/20mg Nolva
day 12-21 50mg clomid/20mg Nolva

I ll take LIV52 for my liver, I ll start taking it 2 weeks before, during the cure and 2 weeks after ( i ve got a lot of this stuff anyway...)

I am pretty good with my diet since long time too so it wont be a problem..

I ll take all comments and advices of course, did I miss something?

yeszir91's picture

Joose, first thanks for all the advices..

The stupid reason why I decided to run these 4 coumpounds its because I ve got them at home, easy way.. but not the best I know..
lucky I am still reading an learning from post like yours, cos I am sure now of my first cycles which is gonna be TEST only. Smart decision!

I am working on my diet at the moment, supplements as well. Anyway I won't start before I am 100% ready, even if its next year!! I hope not.. but as they said better be safe than sorry! thanks for the diet you propose me it is helpfull, and looks yummy! its pretty much the diet I was planning to have..

Few questions:
For the PCT I heard to just use NOLVA 40/40/20/20 not CLOMID?
about the AI some saying to use it during cycle, some in case I need whats your opinion?

Hey mate about my body fat i am up and down, just recover from a shoulder injury from rugby, so I put on some bad fat thats why I am assuming about my BF, but no worries about it, I mite be newbie for steroid but when it comes to training, sport in general, and proper diet I am here ;)

Norton's picture

you can tell me if your Primobolan works, because I have the same lot. but I'm afraid it's fake, you look here:

http://canadiansteroidblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/realfake-bayer-primobola...

yeszir91's picture

i won't try the primo for now mate, i ll run test E only for 12 weeks for my first cycle dude.. i understood the lesson! read the post LOL

livingthedream's picture

If you already have the Test Prop it wouldn't be crazy to run that as a front combined with Test E and as a solo taper at the end. Allow you to start quicker and end quicker as well. Since it's only 2 esters of Test I don't consider it the same as mixing/stacking compounds.

Or take the simplest route as outlined below and just stick to Test E. Leave the orals alone.

yeszir91's picture

No dude i was about to get the prop! lucky... but i ve got the winstrol the primo and the anavar LOL! fuck it i ll use them for an other cycle... i mite run the anavar for the kickstart, not to sure what do you think?

yeszir91's picture

thanks for the advices CAhardcore, i ll do my mix of compound an other time, i ll run test E first and see what happen.

EBSNW1's picture

This is not a cycle for a beginner. You need to start with test-only like everybody else. I would sugest test enanthate for 12 weeks.

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yeszir91's picture

thanks EBSNW1, i thought about it first but water retention will be a problem..

TheRobDawg's picture

You think you combat water retention by adding 2 more steroids to the mix? sigh dude. Either do some research or slap yourself.

yeszir91's picture

no water retention with test Prop dude!

TheRobDawg's picture

Look man I don't know where the fuck you guys are getting this crockpot load of shit.

But you don't get water retention from an ester. All an ester does is make the compound heavier, make less mg for mg, and carries the compound for however many days until it's released. WATER RETENTION is caused by:

A.High Estrogen
B.Shitty Diet
C.ALL OF THE ABOVE.

Test prop can make you hold water just as bad as test enanthate either start getting your information from a qualified source or slap yourself again.

yeszir91's picture

ok so you saying that test enanthate only for 12 weeks with a very good diet won't do water retention?

TheRobDawg's picture

Yes dude get a diet that is on point. Not too much sodium with solid carbs/proteins and test E will take you further then all those combined.

Do you know what an AI is? "Aromatase Inhibitor" incase you DO hold water or get estrogenic sides you can combat it with that. Not with 16 other steroids.

yeszir91's picture

i know what you mean dude.. all right so should i take arimidex at the same time during the cycle for prevention OR just in case water retention or estrogenic sides happen?

TheRobDawg's picture

It depends man. I would use it only if you feel you need it as too much can hinder gains ( but you need a lot of depleted estro to do that ) and your estro shouldn't be high or out of wack in the start anyways. It also depends what AI you take some say take arimidex throughout your cycle but I don't agree based on what I said before.

yeszir91's picture

then i ll have to figure out if i take it during or just in case it happen... what do you think about taking anavar in kickstart, how much and how long?

TheRobDawg's picture

Whether you are looking to bulk or cut dude the anavar is useless at this point. Like CAhardcore said the first cycle is like a introductory class for yourself. Take the synthetic STEROID OF ALL STEROIDS by itself aka "Testosterone". That way there you understand the sides you might come along, the strength increase, the pinning, all the basics. Become acquainted with the base compound of all cycles so when you add to it you know exactly what's going on positive & negative and how to go about it. Just my 2 cents.

yeszir91's picture

done dude!
i really appreciate your advices, thanks a lot!
Now i m gonna work more on my diet, but as you said less sodium with solid carbs and proteins.
one last question if i can get test C instead of test E is it bad, i heard its pretty much the same

TheRobDawg's picture

Nope it's not bad at all. In fact both of them work exactly like the other only difference is:

Enanthate is a 7 carbon ester
Cypionate is a 8 carbon ester

So cyp will release slightly slower and enanthate has a tiny bit more test mg for mg as cyp is a baby bit more heavier.

yeszir91's picture

OK cool! i ll post my next cycle once i finish to work on it!
thanks again

EBSNW1's picture

The only other alternative compound that I might recommend for a first cycle is EQ. So take your pic OP.

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yeszir91's picture

ok thanks mate, i ll prob stay with test C or E only to start