posted Mon, 01/09/2012 - 02:48
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My first Cycle. Too much? Not enough?
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Hi eroiders!
First I am 27, around 10 years of training, I am actualy personal trainer, 5'9, 192 lbs, I would say 12 or 13 BF not too sure... its been almost 2 years that I am reading on forums about steroids, cycle, pct, diet....
here is my first cycle that I ll start only when I ll be SURE that all is ok for you and for me of course!
CENSORED LOL
PCT
day 1 100mg clomid/40mg Nolva
day 2-11 100mg clomid/20mg Nolva
day 12-21 50mg clomid/20mg Nolva
I ll take LIV52 for my liver, I ll start taking it 2 weeks before, during the cure and 2 weeks after ( i ve got a lot of this stuff anyway...)
I am pretty good with my diet since long time too so it wont be a problem..
I ll take all comments and advices of course, did I miss something?
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AnonI have a question; you're a personal trainer-but you don't know your own BF%? I have a few questions..
Even on most other websites, people will advise you to stick with a test only first cycle, so where you got 4 compounds from on your first, I'm not quite sure. To start, why only anavar "ED, except weekends?" this doesnt have any logic behind it.
Secondly, EOD injections on your first cycle, with primo on top of that? Ill advise you now that a large majority of primo that you try to buy, will in fact be, FAKE.
Next, you'll be disappointed with the winstrol. With that high of a BF, you won't truly reap the benefits. You'd be better off drinking moonshine to destroy your liver, and getting nothing out of it.. plus, its cheaper ;)
Continuing, you're running two orals at one time.. I wouldn't even advise a veteran to do this... it doesn't matter how much experience you have, the fact of the matter is... two orals will royally fuck up your system. Your lipid profile will be shot to shit, enzyme balances depleted.. although you may not feel it on the outside, this will tear you apart.
If you did 2 years of research, I'm not sure where you came up with the personal convincing to think you should run 4 compounds on your first cycle. maybe 4 hours.. but this idea should have been put in the execution chair long ago. If you're body fat is at 12-13 range, and you're still so young.. that tells me one thing-you need to get your diet put in place..
Ongoing, I would like to say, I'm sure you'll be pretty much shut down (If you did) --which I hope to God you don't.. run this cycle. So 3 weeks on PCT will not suffice for protocol. You'll experience a crash like no other with the way you have this set up.. and what you can't see on the inside, is what will truly run into some possibly very serious health risks.
REVISED:
Test E at 12 weeks. 2 shots per week- 500mg per/w
2 weeks following your last shot is when you start your PCT.
Protocol: Nolvadex-- 40/40/20/20
Clomid-- 100/100/50/50
Keep an AI on hand during cycle.
I think with that, along with a decent diet, you will prosper far more.. you'll reap better results than dumping pills into your body. I can't stress that enough bud, just because you can swallow them, doesn't mean they aren't hurting you. Your HDL will be shit after the winny..and so on. I would be scared to see blood work from running Var/Winny together, all oral. Honestly, an 80 year old man with AIDs would have a prettier report. Im not cracking on you brother, just trying to put in some insight to help you make the smart decision. Cycles should be set up to show 1 compound at a time, so you know how your body reacts to them.. 1 by 1. Throwing in 4 the first time.. what happens when you get gyno..which one caused it? theres no way to pick amongst them.
meal one: 2 cups egg whites, 4 oz ground turkey 1/4 cup cream of rice, 1 splenda, 1 cup black coffee
meal two: 12 oz tilapia broiled plain, 1 cup white basmati rice
meal three: 10 oz chicken breast grilled on foreman, 8 oz sweet potato slice on foreman
meal four: 12 oz tilapia, 8 oz red potato baked, mrs. dash tableblend
meal five: 12 oz tilapia, 1/2 avocado
meal six: 10 oz steak, veggies
here is a rough diet outline for what it should look like if you want that 'Lean muscle' look. Of course, there are multiple subs for each meal.. ect. People think they have reached their full potential, meanwhile, neglecting the most important thing-DIET. Its hard to pin it down.. I hope looking at this will give you a true idea where yours stands.. I'm sure you can improve upon it. So work on the diet, run the standard test only cycle.. and I'm sure you'll achieve more than you even expected yourself to.. If you need good food subs for a diet, hit me up and I can let you know some good choices that I use. Hope this helps buddy.
AnonThank you for saying ALL the stuff that most of us are tired of saying ...fifty thousand times over for the newbs that show up here sporting oral only cycles, too much body fat, and or wanting to take ten compounds in various ways at the same time.. good post.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkJoose, first thanks for all the advices..
The stupid reason why I decided to run these 4 coumpounds its because I ve got them at home, easy way.. but not the best I know..
lucky I am still reading an learning from post like yours, cos I am sure now of my first cycles which is gonna be TEST only. Smart decision!
I am working on my diet at the moment, supplements as well. Anyway I won't start before I am 100% ready, even if its next year!! I hope not.. but as they said better be safe than sorry! thanks for the diet you propose me it is helpfull, and looks yummy! its pretty much the diet I was planning to have..
Few questions:
For the PCT I heard to just use NOLVA 40/40/20/20 not CLOMID?
about the AI some saying to use it during cycle, some in case I need whats your opinion?
Hey mate about my body fat i am up and down, just recover from a shoulder injury from rugby, so I put on some bad fat thats why I am assuming about my BF, but no worries about it, I mite be newbie for steroid but when it comes to training, sport in general, and proper diet I am here ;)
AnonI would be a dead man if i ran "all the things I have at home"
don't get me wrong, this is purely constructive criticism because I don't want to see you fuck yourself up.
For PCT:
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/100/50/50
If you have extra clomid, run it for 6 weeks. A lot of good studies have been done showing Clomid giving people a full rebound on test levels when ran at an extended period.
As for AI, adex will suffice. easy to get as well. Glad to hear your diet is on point, and you're working to correct the 'flaws,' just trying to stress how important it is.. Just want you to make a good decision
hope it all helped in your feedback
you can tell me if your Primobolan works, because I have the same lot. but I'm afraid it's fake, you look here:
http://canadiansteroidblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/realfake-bayer-primobola...
i won't try the primo for now mate, i ll run test E only for 12 weeks for my first cycle dude.. i understood the lesson! read the post LOL
AnonSorry fellas , I stick by my first cycle recommendations as TEST ONLY...when you run multiple compounds without knowing how your physiology reacts to any of them it leaves you without knowing which one does what for you or which one gives you which sides...you are left with several smoking guns....you've got FOUR different compounds here that is just ridiculous for a first cycle. Not only that but you have no clearly defined goal.. I guess I should be happy you are running test ....grrl shakes her head if you have really been researching for two years you would know that a first cycle is test only and that subsequent cycles only add in one compound at a time...my two cents :-)
tread-mAll done in here but I might add drink plenty of water. Drinking a lot of water pushed water out of your system and will help wiith your concern of holding water and bp sides etc. Be sure to take your supps such as saw palmetto (year round) and others I take such as fish oil and coq10 with a daily vitamin.....reading into your goal with the compounds you listed, run your test only as you have said you will and work a cut diet and you will have the similar effect with your current good condition as if you had the other compounds, just dial it in.....good luck!
If you already have the Test Prop it wouldn't be crazy to run that as a front combined with Test E and as a solo taper at the end. Allow you to start quicker and end quicker as well. Since it's only 2 esters of Test I don't consider it the same as mixing/stacking compounds.
Or take the simplest route as outlined below and just stick to Test E. Leave the orals alone.
No dude i was about to get the prop! lucky... but i ve got the winstrol the primo and the anavar LOL! fuck it i ll use them for an other cycle... i mite run the anavar for the kickstart, not to sure what do you think?
AnonNo TEST Only means TEXT ONLY
thanks for the advices CAhardcore, i ll do my mix of compound an other time, i ll run test E first and see what happen.
This is not a cycle for a beginner. You need to start with test-only like everybody else. I would sugest test enanthate for 12 weeks.
thanks EBSNW1, i thought about it first but water retention will be a problem..
You think you combat water retention by adding 2 more steroids to the mix? sigh dude. Either do some research or slap yourself.
no water retention with test Prop dude!
Look man I don't know where the fuck you guys are getting this crockpot load of shit.
But you don't get water retention from an ester. All an ester does is make the compound heavier, make less mg for mg, and carries the compound for however many days until it's released. WATER RETENTION is caused by:
A.High Estrogen
B.Shitty Diet
C.ALL OF THE ABOVE.
Test prop can make you hold water just as bad as test enanthate either start getting your information from a qualified source or slap yourself again.
ok so you saying that test enanthate only for 12 weeks with a very good diet won't do water retention?
Yes dude get a diet that is on point. Not too much sodium with solid carbs/proteins and test E will take you further then all those combined.
Do you know what an AI is? "Aromatase Inhibitor" incase you DO hold water or get estrogenic sides you can combat it with that. Not with 16 other steroids.
i know what you mean dude.. all right so should i take arimidex at the same time during the cycle for prevention OR just in case water retention or estrogenic sides happen?
It depends man. I would use it only if you feel you need it as too much can hinder gains ( but you need a lot of depleted estro to do that ) and your estro shouldn't be high or out of wack in the start anyways. It also depends what AI you take some say take arimidex throughout your cycle but I don't agree based on what I said before.
then i ll have to figure out if i take it during or just in case it happen... what do you think about taking anavar in kickstart, how much and how long?
Whether you are looking to bulk or cut dude the anavar is useless at this point. Like CAhardcore said the first cycle is like a introductory class for yourself. Take the synthetic STEROID OF ALL STEROIDS by itself aka "Testosterone". That way there you understand the sides you might come along, the strength increase, the pinning, all the basics. Become acquainted with the base compound of all cycles so when you add to it you know exactly what's going on positive & negative and how to go about it. Just my 2 cents.
done dude!
i really appreciate your advices, thanks a lot!
Now i m gonna work more on my diet, but as you said less sodium with solid carbs and proteins.
one last question if i can get test C instead of test E is it bad, i heard its pretty much the same
Nope it's not bad at all. In fact both of them work exactly like the other only difference is:
Enanthate is a 7 carbon ester
Cypionate is a 8 carbon ester
So cyp will release slightly slower and enanthate has a tiny bit more test mg for mg as cyp is a baby bit more heavier.
OK cool! i ll post my next cycle once i finish to work on it!
thanks again
The only other alternative compound that I might recommend for a first cycle is EQ. So take your pic OP.
ok thanks mate, i ll prob stay with test C or E only to start