posted Wed, 07/09/2014 - 22:15
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+ 1 My first cycle outlined, please provide input!
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This is my first cycle as I plan to do, any input or advice welcomed.
Week 1-12 500mg/week of Test Enanthate
Week 1-12 0.5mg arimidex EOD
Week 4-12 HCG 250 units twice a week total 500 units per week.(prevent testicular atrophy as test levels kick up with long half life from enanthate)
Week 13-14 nothing (should i do any HCG during this time)
Week 15-18 Clomid at 100/100/50/50
Should I do any hcg during weeks 13-14? or arimidex?
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Could use some tweaking,,, Test is fine @500 per week. Be careful with the Adex, it hits like a ton of bricks for some people, i would run with Champion of the minds advice on the HCG, Adex and the adding Nolva to the pct... It will give you a much more thorough recovery....Good luck man, appreciate the reasonable first cycle...
I had the exact same plan for my first cycle which I am about to finish except I have nolva in my pct. And I can tell you from experience that I would leave the hcg and arimadex out unless you need it. I have been on a rollercoaster of high/low estro all cycle. Til about 3-4 weeks ago I was running the test and hcg 250 iu s ttwice a week with .5 mg every third day. I was feeling like complete shit so I talked to someone prominant on here and he said to drop the hcg. Since ive felt better. I think you should study the signs of high/low estro to know what to look for and use whatever to combat that problem and just let the test do it's thing. Good luck man
AnonAppreciate it bro I'll def study estrogen effects on body a little more detailed and leave out AI until needed . So rather than lowering your adex dose taking out the hcg helped for you ? Should I start out without hcg and just do the test with no AI or HCG and go for hcg on the two weeks where I have nothing planned? I'm kind of stubborn and want hcg during cycle just based on some publications that appear that post cycle recovery will be made easier with having used hcg on cycle. Haha
I did lower my adex dose and dropped the hcg as the hcg raises your estro level. I would start off not using the ai in the beginning but have it all on hand in case you need it. If something pops up then use it. There is another thread on this page that a guy posted his cycle plan and it has a lot of responses. Check the second to last page and there is a lot of good info on this there. I know that my next cycle will be no ai from the get go til something comes up. Pretty sure high/low estro messed up my cycle
HCG will help with post cycle without a doubt. It's your first cycle so use the adex, you don't know how your body will react or if you are prone to gyno and other sides, .25 eod...Champion is a big brain. Listen to his advice and you will far exceed your goals..
In regards to your AI, it won't be necessary to applicate it until the 4th week of your cycle. Enanthate is a long ester and takes 2-2.5 weeks to metabolise and 3-4 weeks for the buildup of estrogen to occur. You could start out with .25mg EOD and if that isn't sufficient to reduce and estro sides, I would go up to .50mg EOD. In addition to your pct it is advisable to applicate the use of nolvadex in conjunction with clomid being run simultaneously at the following dose; Clomid 100/100/50/50 Nolva 40/40/20/20. In response to your question regarding the use of hcg during your void period week 13-14th, it is recommended to drop hcg 2 weeks prior to pct, however it is a consistent argument that hcg is beneficial up to day 1 of pct. The theory for that is it helps prevent a total crash between cycle and pct. I personally use it two weeks on, two weeks off; my reason is to prevent the onset of testicular atrophy, throughout the entirety of my cycle. I personally don't drop hcg two weeks, I drop in coronation to my predisposed cycle layout.
AnonThanks for the reply ! I'll keep your advice in mind when using AI during cycle . I'll wait til test builds up in system and gauge where I stand as far as estrogen before I use AI . And if so il start low dose . As far as hcg goes I guess I'll do some more research until I'm set on that . Is it advisable to run clomid and Nolva pct together or will Nolva by itself be enough (is clomid not as good as nolvadex ?) ? If that's the case id rather just do one or the other .
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkYou really need both clomid and nolva, to secure your gains and to produce the fastest and fullest recovery, It's really advisable.
Very nice choice with only choosing one compound to run. As far as the adex with only running 500mg a week you may only need .25mg eod but you'll have to see how you feel while on and get yourself blood work done for estrogen levels. The female panel is cheaper and only about 60 bucks. Someone with more experience with hcg will chime in because I've only run it as a blast at the very end of a cycle. IMO I would add nolvadex with the clomid for pct at 40/40/20/20. Good luck brother
Anoncool man, thanks for the input, still waiting for my gear to get here and probably will order nolva as well from domestic source for faster shipping. id rather be over prepared than panicking last minute. im in no rush to start. i definitely wanna get pre cycle labs to see where im at to begin with. i wanna do this right and get the best results. and yeah i think i'll do 0.25 mg adex EOD and if i notice any sides ill adjust accordingly. where are u ordering your labs from? labsmd.com ? anyway thanks, i look forward to posting some progress pics soon enough.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkAlso post your stats on this forum. I know there in your profile but it's easier for more experienced guys to help if your stats are easily viewable. Good luck brother
I can't remember the lab off hand it's been awhile since I had them done but check the forum on here , I know it's posted up somewhere , just make sure you have everything on hand before you even pin . Take your time and do some research on here there is plenty Of knowledge to soak in.