My first cycle is a doozy.
First off, I'm 43 and 265lbs 16-17%bf. I have used pH's many, many times and have decided to kick it into gear and compete in a bodybuilding show in October. Here is where it all ended up:
Wks 1-4 Test Prop 100mg EOD
Wks 1-10 Deca 200mg 1ml weekly
Wks 1-10 Test E 400mg w/EQ 200mg 1ml ea on Mon&Thurs
Wks 11-12 Test E 250mg 1-1.5ml on Mon&Thurs
Wks 1-12 Arimidex .25mg EOD
Wk 13 Nada?
PCT Clomid and/or Nolva and hcg
Wanting more of a recomp with this, at 43 not looking to get much heavier. I work an every other weekend off schedule that rotates days/nights every 2wks and a part-time day job in between. So, I only lift on the days off of my full-time job and do T-25 first thing when I get up on full-time shifts. Eating just over 2600 cals on non lifting days and just over 3200 on lifting days.
Blast away, peeps. 
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OMGeee! I am remembering really quick why I left the cycle section for so long!
lmao.... yeah i just read the whole thread bro... glad i didnt see it earlier and wish i could "un-see" it now lol
I don't think you have enough time to get familiar with the compounds AND get ready for a show before October. Its pretty much time for your show when you can run another cycle(time on = time off) unless this is your precontest cycle which I highly doubt it.
I personally think test p is ok for first cycle since test is test. It is gonna react the same way as test e just quicker. But ditch the deca and eq for sure. And these two compounds peak slower due to ester so you might want to run longer if you're going to use them in the future.
There's no need to ramp down the test at the end. Remember the test will still be aromatizing after week 12 too, so don't just stop the adex after your last shot. I recommend the power pct program too, check it out on google.
Power PCT was a good read, glad you suggested that to him, I hadn't heard about it. Similar to what's recommended already, but still the fact that it's clinically documented makes it interesting. Most doctors aren't knowledgeable at all about steroids, never mind PCT.
Well at least you put stats up, as most dont. And im guessing your done with the ph, congrats on that. But as a first cycle, test e is plenty. You havnt run any of the above before so if you had a bad reaction, how would you know what compound was the problem.
Trust me, test e will be just fine, 4 week's in you'll know for yourself!
Too many compounds for a first cycle...rolltide is right: you are not gonna get the results you want if you don't know how your body reacts to one compound let alone three...age or prohormone use doesn't substitute for compound experience...
...just looking out bro..
Thanks! I attached myself to the biggest guy I know and he has 20+yrs exp. He said with the time frame I had and goals I wanted he could help get me there but that was supposed to start back in December. Stuff happened and things got up ended some. Maybe need to relook at my timeline.
This is your first cycle drop everything but test e. U need to master test first before moving on to anything else. U are to inexperienced to run multiple compounds. When sides arise u won't know what to do or what's causing them. Keep it simple run just test learn how your body responds to it how your body does with estro issues. Get blood work done before bout week six or seven then after. Then your pct u need clomid and nolva not hcg. U need to do a lot more research before starting. U are not ready for anything like this slow your roll this is a marathon not a sprint
Bingo. You have to learn how to master a test only cycle first.
You'd be surprised at the number of times my research has shown what you said and the number of times I've been recommended similar cycles to what I have. For PCT I could throw a handful of pennies and hit 50 different opinions. I've done the research and have covered what I feel to be every base. Never been one to go half speed. But I appreciate your opinion and your time for giving it. You all have confirmed some of my misgivings though. The guy I work out with and helped set up this cycle has 20+yes experience with gear. Maybe he's just forgotten what it's like to be a newbie. Lol
No we would NOT be surprised! There are a lot of dumb asses in the AAS community who have been doing stupid shit for years and it looks as if you will be joining their ranks... Good luck with all that!
Wow! Attacked by a mod on my first day. As you can see I was listening. Sometimes when you've been told something by someone you trust you have to go through a process to get it all lined out. Thanks anyway for your honesty and support. Good luck with all that.
You are DEF green if you think THIS was attacked,,, With AAS sometimes there are no "do overs" so your so called "process" can fuck you up for life
Yes, I would consider it an attack. First off, you cherry picked the opening of my comment with no regard to me saying that everyone had confirmed my misgivings on the proposed cycle. My guess is you didn't even read the entire reply. And then you basically called me a dumbass, or incorrectly grouped me with them. What you have done as a Moderator is give me a bad impression of yourself and your forum.
What I have done is start researching the recommended PCT I received here and found a dozen different articles that say clomid and nolva, or SERMs in general, can be counter productive to our goals and our bodies. Because clinical studies have shown that they actually trigger an increase in estrogen while blocking their recepticles with can cause a whole host of other issues. I think Tide had recommended an AI with it though which could help offset some of those issues. Not sure atm, have go back and reread.
So in conclusion, instead of using your position to ridicule and push down, try giving advice with knowledge and experience. Teach the masses instead being a bully. Thank you for your time. I know how valuable it is.
reading clinical stuff sometimes can be counterproductive and confusing, and some of it will be right and some wrong. That doesnt mean dont read it, just dont believe EVERYTHING that you read. when I did PCT I never experienced estrogen from clomid and nolva, but it would be very easy to control with an AI, they work with in a day or two so as sonn as estro sides show start taking AI and its gone within a day or two.
best practice is to have AI, and serms on hand at all times.
I agree with you 100% on clinicals and studies simply because it is human nature to try to prove your hypothesis and intentionally/unintentionally skewing/misreading results in favor of that hypothesis. In fact, we could publish a paper right now on the fact breathing air causes death at varying rates simply because no one has ever survived it. Lol! The whole debate with rolltide3 was simply due to the fact that a person that I know, and trust, with 20+yrs exp in steroids(this guy is 5'8" 285lbs 7-8%bf) would guide me through an advanced protocol because he doesn't subscribe to the simple is best theory. I felt that he was attacked unfairly, was trying to defend him and his beliefs, even though I was feeling overwhelmed by the cycle and was seeking contrary opinions and maybe a horror story or two to substantiate where I was at. It eventually worked out to erring on the side of the safest route.
lol, wouldn't say attacked, your getting all defensive because your not hearing what you want to hear, that's is the problem around here of late, if you know it all or your mate knows it all why ask?? eroids community will never co sign a troll cycle like that, I suggest change attitude, and research.... so good luck with that also.
You're right, I was defensive but not because of the opposition to the cycle but because I felt my friend was attacked. This guy is one of the biggest people I've met besides Jay Cutler. He's 285lbs and 6-7%bf at 5'8". He knows what works for him and what doesn't and is going to work directly with on how, when, and what to take. I was still nervous about such an advanced cycle which is why I went looking for thoughts. I got caught up in defending him when the advice matched what I felt, just didn't like the stated opinion of my friend is all.
Half speed I assure u is not a cycle of test. Test is a very serious compound that should never be taken for granted just by u saying goin half speed on a test only cycle for your first time proves u are not ready to start. U have no idea what you are getting yourself into
RustyhookerLooks like wasting your energy here. He'll be back with issues. Im outta here...
No need to be offended. It's a figure of speech. Trust me when I say that I have looked at gear for several years and avoided it because of the potential downfalls. I've done my pre-bloodwork and was diagnosed with low T a year ago. And still didn't move towards gear. Finally after talking with some people one on one that have a ton of experience(Jay Cutler just to drop a name) I decided that I wanted to compete in one show and do the best I could with the personal advice I had. Always look for more advice opinions though. That's what research is.
Well just one example of whoever u are listening to doesn't know what there talking about he has u running eq for ten weeks. That is useless for only ten weeks so I hope some of these other gentleman on here set u straight cause this is a horrible cycle for u right now
It's also a low dose EQ. He recommended adding it to help boost my metabolism and solidify gains from the test. The deca is there to help with some injuries that plague me from the military. Originally was supposed to be a 16wk cycle but got paired down due to outside influences. I'm not arguing the point at all, just locking down some reasoning before I see him next. Again, thanks for your opinion.
U have never ran test before u don't need anything to help solidify your gains but good luck with whatever u choose to do your body. Just remember just cause someone u know tells u they jumped off a bridge and is fine don't mean u will be everyone reacts different and what works for him may not u. That's why u need to understand how your body reacts with just test first. Your listening to broscience wish u all the best
Again, very much appreciated. I'll talk to him about dropping the EQ. It does make sense to wait. Personally I'd like to keep the deca because of the potential for joint relief unless it's truly pointless. He isn't a fan of it anyway. You didn't chime in on the arimidex though. Thoughts on it? Use if sides arise only?
I can't really answer that question for u. This is your first cycle I have no idea how u will react to just test.u might be very sensitive to estro sides. That's why u need bloods done pre cycle then week six to see what your levels are and make adjustments accordingly. Your first time u or me have no way of knowing how u will react. That's why we advise doin test only so the sides are very easy to handle if they arise. With a great diet u can achieve incredible gains with just test.
OK, give me your opinion using the arimedex and the following cycle adjustment.
Wks 1-4 Test Prop 100mg 1ml EOD
Wks 1-15 Test E400mg 1ml Mon/Thurs
Wks 16-17 Nada
4wks PCT clomid or nolva or combination?
Will still have hcg and arimidex available. Hopefully my buddy will understand and not snap me like a twig. Lol
What a minute are u saying u are goin to be doin 800 a week of test e or 400
It would be 800. My natural test was 225. Knock the 400 down to 1/2ml Mon/Wed?
Yes your first cycle 400 ta 500 a week is perfect your not goin to like to hear this but don't use your test 400 go get test 250. Test 400 will cripple u your first time
So, I like the idea of the quick ester Prop as a fast start. If that is acceptable then the cycle could be:
Wks 1-4 Prop 100 EOD
Wks 1-? E250 or half dose E400 Mon&Thurs
2wks Nada
4wks PCT Clomid, Nolva, or both?
Weeks 1 thru 12 test e 400 ta 500
After two weeks from last pin start your pct
Clomid 100 100 50 50
Nova 40. 40 20 20
Wouldn't advise prop first cycle
Clomid and nolva at same time. Gotcha. Dosing at different times of day or no matter? Arimidex at .25mg EOD or something different?
Your adex u can hold of until u see sides or u can use it at a low dose .25 EOD like u got. Some guys wait till they need it some take it before. U will kinda have to figure out how your body responds clomid thru out the day nolva at night
Fantastic. Thanks for the info.
Looking a lot better but got a comment first I wouldn't do prop my first cycle either u need great site rotation on your pins that first timers don't have and prop usually cares a good punch. That's not even talking about pinning into virgin muscles what's the use of doin a cycle if u can't walk BC of pip. Usually prop is better after a few cycles under your belt just so u have great spot rotation and your muscles aren't virgins nomore. Trust me pinning virgin muscles isn't a lot of fun to begin with doubt u want to pin a new muscle every other day
Planned for quads and glutes with placement as on spotinjections. Shouldn't 4 sites be enough. I'm married to a nurse. ;)
Go or no go on arimidex during cycle? Just save it in case of sides or future cycles?
PCT wise I had originally thought:
Clomid 50/50/50/50 or
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Hadn't considered both before.
Lol married to a nurse well u lucky dog u. I'd say u need one more site like shoulders. Bro pinning virgin muscles hurts then pinning the same muscles over and over with prop is really a bad idea. Like I say there a lot of veterans that can hardly take prop.your clomid is 100 100 50 50 BTW.yes u will need arimidex during cycle or aro
The gear I have is supposed to be almost no pip according to my buddy. He is supposed to be a biochemist and used to make stuff for some pros before he got popped. He's just getting back into the game.
.25mg arimidex EOD sound good?
You haven't even mentioned anything about prolactin control with the Deca. You are not ready for it yet. You may get some joint relief to go along with lactating nipples.
I have access to caber, letro, and prami. But you are right, haven't researched into dosages. My buddy said he has it covered if I needed it but that sides from it are rare. Is that not the case?
RustyhookerBingo! Agree