posted Fri, 04/05/2013 - 05:50
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Hey guys,
I've searched here and other places and have only read a few post regarding a low test/high deca cycle. I see it done lately with tren, so I am under the assumption that it can be done with another 19-nor compound with similar results of less sides. Basically just asking for anyone with experience on this type of cycle; and what were your results, any sides, etc. Just looking for feedback regarding your experiences guys.....thanks.
(Cycle in the works.....)
1-16 125-150mg Test E week
1-15 600mg Deca week
and either....1-4 20mg DBol or 12-16 50mg Winny
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I like the way it looks, I would probably up the test to in the 200-250 range. I would also kick start with NPP and testP. I love dbol and have heard of people using it instead of caber when ever they see E sides. Really like the whinny at the end if you can handle it it scares me because of how bad it dries you out my joints hurt just thinking about it but you should be good and lubed up by then. Good luck man I do recommend 600mg a week deca it really shines there for me. Also get some B6 and run it at 100mg 2x a day haven't had any prolactin sides and I think that's why. Feel free to pm me and we can talk.
Thanks for all the replies guys. For the ones that have "actually" ran these types of low test high deca/npp cycles, thanks for your input bro's. It's very much appreciated. As far as the double test dosage; it's not going to happen this cycle, been there and done that, and the sides sucked.
As far as the dbol and winny goes, I already have it one deck, so it will be one or the other. I'd rather run the winny w/ the deca to avoid the dry joints as bad, as my left knee is a little bitch at times on leg day. But the dbol kicker feels good too....
Hey there I respect all the replies you've got but I doubt any of them have ran high deca low test. I have and I can confirm it works very well. I'm on trt and am bridging from high test only to low test high deca. I am running 600mg deca and 250 testE a week split into 2 pins. I am taking 100mg of B6 twice a day for prolactin and .25 adex every day. Haven't had any bad sides other than excessive sweating.
Frontloaded the deca at 1200mg first week, so far it looks like this
Week1: 1200 mg deca, 250mg testE
Week2: 600 mg deca, 250mg testE
Week3: 800mg deca, 250mg testE
Week4-12 600mg deca, 250mg testE
I got impatient third week 800 was to much for me though so I dropped it back to 600.
I also ran one one month of NPP before the deca when I was lowering my test from 750mg a week to 250. I ran it at 100 mg eod with 70mg TNE 5x a week.
For a long time I believed test is king, I still do its just now when I run it with other compounds I let the test take the back seat and alow the other compound to do its magic. I respect everyone's opinions, but the only opinions I give are based on what I've done, not what I've been told.
Good luck man hope this helps.
I was going to run some HCG and Aromasin while on cycle. I'm debating on 450 or 600mg on the deca. Did you notice any acne issues after coming off the cycle? Also, how did the deca respond with you at that low dose test....any bloat? or did you actually cut up a little while on (diet dependent of course)?
First 4 weeks, 7 if you count the NPP I bulked to 235, been cutting since then. I am down to 222 looking pretty good veins are really starting to pop no acne issues at all but I'm still on. I've really only ever had acne issues coming off of high test and this time I didn't at all. And by the way my strength is out of control from the deca, I added 50 lbs to my shoulder press this week, scary. And all my other lifts have had impressive gains as well seems like I'm setting all kinds of new bests, I'm sure part of it is my arms don't feel like they are falling off due to the relief my shoulders have got from the deca but I also think deca is an amazing compound that really increases strength.
ive done it in the past with 200mgs of test cyp and 400mgs of deca without any issues. great results actually. i never did it at that low test and that high of deca. i wouldnt really advise it but there is only one way to find out. id switch the dbol with tbol and then drop the winny for maybe anavar.
With tren, I like my test dose to be the same or a little lower than tren. example 500 test, 700 tren.
For deca I had my test dose all the way up to 750 and added proviron and caber and still had low libido
Deca and tren are both progestin derived aas and they are altered at the 19th molecule. thus giving it a altered compound and binding structure. from my understanding about both AAS deca and tren even they they are both progestin the way they bind to the receptors is very different. neither will convert to estrogen as the are not testosterone derived AAS. so there is no aromtizing effects, but both will effect prolactin levels. the subtle differences in these two compounds and the binding structure to the receptors is why they are run differently. they are run this way to avoid the side effects. I am a huge deca fan, i run it every cycle. I run it 2 parts test to 1 part deca this is experience dictating this. if you chose to run it other wise, prepare yourself for harsh sides
angusI prefer to run my nor 19 at greater levels than my test. I have ran them both ways, in fact always ran my test at 2 x 1 based on what I had learned. From greater research and experimentation I have gotten away from that old school type of thinking. I must admit when I ran Deca I was still at the 2 parts test to 1 part deca phase so perhaps my experience isn't exactly what you are looking for. My current cycle is this
Tren A 100mg/ed (no i'm not advocating you do tren)
Test P 50mg/ed
Mast P 50mg/ed
I'll bump my Mast P up on monday to 100mg/ed but my Test will remain the same. This will be the final dosage right up until the last week of the EBC. The test, in my circumstance, is merely for libido support.
So for you I am going to say that your test is still low and if you're gonna run Deca at 600 then I would run test at a minimum of 300mg/wk and stop the deca 2 weeks before the test.
I achieved what I wanted by experimentation. I was running Tren at 600 and test at 1200 just like old school thought it should be and even at one point I was at 2000 because someone told me "the magic happens above 2 grams of test" well, the sides were brutal so I started cutting back further and further. I eventually found a happy spot at 600 tren 500 test with minor sides. That thoery was expanded on my next cycle that is how I came to find 2 parts tren - 1 part test works the best FOR ME. Feel free to PM me if you want more specifis.
Thanks man, this is exactly the type of feedback that I am interested in getting. I too had success with the same exact tren a/test p dosage minus the mast and had great results. So I figured I'd test my luck with the deca this time to see if I could avoid the sides.
Maybe I'll knock the deca to 400-450 and see how it plays out, and adjust accordingly.
I guess in the end this cycle will be a trial and error for myself
Nandrolone can displace testosterone at the receptor.. people don't seem to understand that in muscle which has no 5 alpha reductase activity, nandrolone has a stronger effect than testosterone (Because of a stronger affinity for the receptor).
This will leave other tissue which has a lot of 5 alpha reductive activity having a much stronger affinity for testosterone then nandrolone. Introducing too much exogenous testosterone in the presence of nandrolone could cause some prostate issues. Pushing testosterone away from receptors in muscle can increase the amount available for aromatase activity.
in other words... there is a balance that you will need to figure out what works for you!! the general rule is 2:1 but I know individuals who have ran it as an equal and yes even less amount.. the key is knowing how these compounds react in your body and adjusting your dosages over time learning where your sweet spot is... imo it looks like your test dose is low. and unless you've used higher dosages of deca before is high.. my 2 cents, in the end you gotta know how these compounds work for you.
Yea, sounds good brother. I have ran the standard protocol and suffered from the usual sides; so this time around I am looking to tweak it down on the test and see where it lands me. It's been a while since I have even dabbled with deca because I felt the sides and bloat blew so much ass.
I recently finished a low test/tren a cycle and loved it, so I am kinda infatuated with the idea that I can pull it off with the deca as well this time and suffer less side. The low test/tren was great besides some night sweats....but hell; I used to drench my bed at night with just test e/dbol cycles.
I'm looking for people who have actually done this. I've seen quite a few similar articles that you posted P and it all reads like bro science to me. A few post on other sites where users ran NPP/Deca with low test have had close to zero sides.
I'm just asking for people who went down this road to share their experiences.......
As far as cycle duration and orals, I'll probably drop it to one oral, and cut the cycle to 12. I tend to start slacking after 3 months......damn fatboy has to come out.
What the guys said below 2:1 test to deca ratio. 15 weeks is a long time to run deca to bro. Personally I go with 10 weeks. Deca can cause a hard recovery. Also, drop the winny you shouldn't be running two orals and you'll most likely be holdin a good amount of water and won't notice much from it. IMO kick starting with prop 150mg eod is better than Dbol.
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Weight: 215
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The difference between test and tren (in short) is that they will fight for the same receptors. However, tren is significantly stronger and more successful at gaining those receptors when compared to test. As a result of the aforementioned fact, the result of running test and tren at equal to high dosages are basically redundant, since the result will be an increase in wastage of the test.
Moreover, tren is highly suppressive of male testosterone production if present in the system - even at low levels. Since normal male estrogen levels are provided through aromatisation of testosterone, natural test production is highly suppressed in a trenbolone cycle, whereas estrogen levels generally fall below normal. As a result, this typically is very problematic with mood swings, changes in libido and joint issues.
In contrast, the aforementioned test/tren rule does not follow suit when test/deca/npp is concerned - regardless of both being 19-norprogesterone compounds. Thus, the protocol recommended with deca is high test and low deca. Additonally, another reason to drop the deca completely (and why some eroids members tend to avoid deca) is the high aromatisation levels and prolactin levels associated with deca. However, there is a benefit to deca when one is running an AI during the cycle, such as Aromasin or Arimidex, as this helps to block that process.
Additionally, Deca is preferred in some cases, even though it is very suppressive - thus at the ending phase of the cycle ones hormone levels may take a longer time to recover. Furthermore, as a result of the aforementioned statement, I would consider hCG with your cycle - as long as you have an AI at hand to help increase the recovery process and reduce the aromatisation activity of the hCG. Also ensure you have either caber, prami or bromo on cycle with deca (19-nor compounds),
In my experience Test needs to be a 2 x 1 ratio of deca unless you want issues. Deca will shut you down hard bro. Keep the test higher. Tren & test fight over the same receptors...w/tren binding more quickly & being more powerful anabolic and androgenicly & why some advise running tren higer. Tren is quite different in reguards to nandrolen.