posted Thu, 01/08/2015 - 14:20
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Low Dose Test Cyp Cycle
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Range I am talking is 200mg / week.
Is anyone currently running a low dose test only cycle, or maybe with a kick starter for the range?
If you are, are you splitting it into 2x / week, or all 200mg e5d or so?
Also, are you running it for 10-12 weeks or for a longer period?
I know many boards "seem" to go off a 500mg/w 2x/w injections minimum.
I was just wondering if anyone has tried a low dose test cycle, how they cycled it and the gains/sides they have had.
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RustyhookerThe plan below at 400 should be a nice lil ride. If you lift hard and eat right...should be fun.
Adex...crashed estro will halt your gains. Get blood test at week 5. Privatemdlabs.com has female hormone panel for $59. Reads same as males but costs 100 less.
If you feel high estro like sadness at the spca commercial or nips feel like Titty twister then start your adex. Everyone converts differently. Some guys use no ai while others need strong ai. If you start it around week 4 because estro signs, start with .25e3d. Get good ai and pct products. Don't skimp there. Blood test though proves without a doubt where you are on estro.
Any particular reason you decided on 200mg/pw? Do you have a 200mg/ml test?
Half ml twice per week will give you 250mg/pw, which is actually a good starting dose for a first cycle, despite what most people will suggest you.
The vast majority of those ppl who suggested at least 500mg/pw have never actually tried a low dose cycle, so they have no experience with it anyway. I can guarantee you are gonna grow just fine if you do a low dose, as long as your test is good quality (best to go with pharma grade) and your diet is spot on.
I suggest you do a frontload with 250mg(1ml) for your first 4 shots, which will put your blood levels at exactly the perfect spot, so you will be able to maintain those levels throughout your cycle with 2 shots of half a milliliter per week (2x125mg=250mg/pw).
You have to understand that becouse of cypionate's long half life your blood levels keep increasing almost throughout your entire cycle if you dose all injections the same. Thats why the frontload, to get your levels straight to the desired values which will be around 350-400mg. So if we now calculate... around 30% of the molecular weight is ester, which will put you at around 245-280mg of actual test and as you can see that is still much higher level than you can naturally produce...
So this would be the layout...
Either 2 options!
1:
200mg (2x week 100mg/each)
Arimidex .5mg (E2D) ?
PCT: Nolva (40/40/20/20), Clomid (100/100/50/50)
2:
400mg (2x week 200mg/each)
Arimidex .5mg (E2D or EOD) ?
PCT: Nolva (40/40/20/20), Clomid (100/100/50/50)
I'd recommend doing cycle #2. Scroll down and read up on irongames post, he explains why very well.
Your PCT is on point, and as for the Arimidex, only start using it if you start to feel side effects or your bloodwork on cycle shows your estrogen is high. You might not need to use it at all, but have some on hand in case you do. If you end up needing it, I'd start at .25mg E3D, and then adjust upwards from there if you'd need more.
My first cycle was 200mg a week and I gained almost 30lbs. I was a bit bloated (no AI), but I kept almost 20 of it. This was US pharmacy test as well.
If you really train and eat, you can make some significant gains on 200.
Also, starting low is good for your next cycle as well. You have more room to go up if you so choose. If you start high, you usually have to start high again and go up from there. Learn to get the most out of the least amount of gear. As many greats have said: it's not the gear! It's really more about your diet, rest and training.
My one counter to this is everyone reacts to gear differently I know guys that do a shot of 200mg watson and it puts them around 1100-1400 so him doing 2x's a week(100mg's ) he may only be at 700 which depending on his base line's and training level I do not see it worth it in my opinion I mean for all we know his natty test is 700 and he would only be potentially hurting himself like iron said shut down is shutdown and if it were me I would go with at least 400mg a week Pharma Grade and maybe some provi just to get sexy LoL I have noticed typically 6-7x's for total t is a good reference point and the 10x's total is not for everyone but for a small percentage I am a fortunate one to get around 10x's from solid test.
Heard the old timers in my gym talk about way back jn the day when they could shoot 200 mg ew and be strong as an ox. They say gear was so much better back in then.
RustyhookerMy first cycle was pharma grade at 300mg a week. Lifted like a mad man and ate ate ate. 15 lbs gained and every lift was up by a big margin. Maybe combo of AAS virgin and good old sweat values.
I got it from a quack, who would give out anything (this was 20 years ago). Went right to the pharmacy and picked up my test and pins. Shot 1cc (200mg), once a week and I just blew up. I think we were using 18g pins as well! We're only young once!
I'm sure the regulation and making it a scheduled substance had plenty to do with it... You're not the only one who's heard these comments.
Thank you for the response, the 200mg you were taking, was it 200mg at once, or split into 100mg 2x/week?
As for the US Pharmacy, I am assuming that was prescribed?
This was twenty years ago. We didn't know any better, so it was just once a week. Twice a week is better for blood levels.
It was prescribed, but by a quack. His was before it was a controlled substance.
There are some good ugl out there though.
Okay bro let me give you some real blunt advice 200mg cycle is not worth it at all,That is a high trt dose will you make gains sure if your lacking in testosterone but lets get real,How about when you try to pct you might run into a potential risk of hitting your natty levels,Meaning say you were 600 before and you pct at 500,all for a 200mg a week cycle.Again I think your trolling but My opinion is this cycle will be a waste of time its gonna take 5 weeks to really shine then what 7 weeks of 200mg's a week?Waste of time waste of health.
I appreciate the advice, from you and everyone that has helped.
For sure I will do pre, during and post cycle bloods.
So 400mg/week split into 2x 200 would be a good starting cycle
I think there is nothing wrong with 400mg/wk as long as you run it with proviron. The provi will free up bound test and would probably give you similar results to 500mg/wk.
As a beginner and first timer... Should I think to use dbol as a kick starter or just test
Just stick to testosterone so you can assess how it affects your body. As a rule, always only introduce one new compound per cycle so that you know the reaction you get is from that specific compound.
I honestly believe you should do your first cycle at 500mg, as that is a very basic and good beginner cycle that will help pop your cherry and will get you wonderful results (unless you don't respond to test sensitively). And if you love the cycle, there is nothing that says you can't repeat it for a second or third either!
Either way, let us know what you will end up doing. We are here to help.
Before you decide to do anything first check your bloodwork to establish a baseline bro. Post your results and then move from there
Why are you looking at such a low dose cycle may I ask? This dosage would barely be above TRT levels (depending whom you ask).
I am just questioning options before I decide to select one, stick and go.
I am wondering why choose a 500-600mg/week route when a low dosage may be suitable for me?
Reason I say suitable would be because I am no 'body builder'. I know the majority has to do with diet, but I would like to make slow steady gains while keeping low bf% and a athletic but muscular tone.
This would be my first cycle, and if the average male produces 50-70mg/week, why not give 200 a go and see how I respond, complete a proper PCT and slowly work my way to the 500-600mg amounts in maybe a second cycle.
Males don't even produce that much test most of what I've read states the average male produces 6mg ed or 42 a week. That can put some people as high as 800nl/ml. If you were to inject 42mg of test cyp a week your test levels would be 300 at best. One would need somewhere betwen 150-200mg of test cyp to achieve 800 test levels. You can't compare natural amounts we produce to exogenous amounts it just doesn't work.
And remember most of the ugl test is underdosed. So that 200mg might be more like 150. So you'll be shutting down your natural production and replacing it with the same amount. The risk is stlll the same 200-500 shutdown is shutdown. I would suggest 300mg minimum of quality test. That will give you the results you're after.
Another thing you must account for when considering low doses is the weight of the ester. 100mg of test cyp is actually only 69mgs of testostrone and the remaining 31mg is the cyp ester. So if you're injecting 200mg ew it's actually only 138mgs of test, the rest is the cyponiate ester. So like said 300 min 400 would be way better.
Your reasoning is sound, but I don't know how much of an effect you'll see on such a low dose. They will completely shut your own natural production down and probably get your testosterone levels in the high averages you'd see in teenagers, rather than above and beyond which is what many here seek to gain.
you should still split the dosing up into two pins a week, to stabilize your blood levels more. As always have an AI on hand, just in case you end up needing it. If you're planning on running it I would also recommend 12 weeks as is typical for these cycles. I assume you're using test with a long ester.
I think you should try higher, and if you still want to be on the low side, do maybe 300-350mg, even 400mg. But in the end it is your choice, and if you choose to do a 200mg cycle, post up a log and keep us informed of the progress.
I also want to point out that you should get bloodwork done before starting the cycle so you know the natural state of your body, and again 6 weeks into the cycle to see how you're reacting, then again severa weeks after the PcT completes.
Post up your stats, age, weight, bf, etc etc.
29yr
191lbs
12-13% bf
no cycle history
5'11, sorry about that
how tall are you?