posted Fri, 12/20/2013 - 18:31
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Looking for help! First Cycle Ever
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Im looking to get some help and opinions from everyone here on what my cycle should be. I have only done a PH once(super dmz) and didn't pct properly so lost alot of the gains. Anyway my situation is that Im still pretty high body fat, I;m 250lbs 5;10 down from 330. I have gotten into lifting pretty serious and want to cycle but not get bloated or put on heavy mass. I am leaning towards decca, winstrol cycle for 8 weeks at 300mgdecca per 6 days and 75mg winstrol per 3 days. THANKS and again please give me all the help you can.
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I agree whole heartedly with Gearhead Fl, but I would also add, Does your gym have any weight loss challenges or kind of fun programs like that you could get in on? I know it is not for everyone but sometimes a group setting like that really makes a difference for people. I have also seen some pretty dramatic BF changes on people that dive in to Yoga. One thing for certain, it will not hurt.
Again thanks for all the info guys, I am gonna post some questions on the weight loss forum to maybe tweek my diet a bit. My issue is that Im pretty much all in on this weight lifting thing and made some massive gains in strength and every time I lower my calories and carbs to loose a little quicker the strength starts to go down and thats hard for me to accept. I heard everything everyone said but would there be any compounds that maybe I could use while I heavily restrict my calories to maintain or hopefully increase strength while loosing the weight.
I took my body fat % very hesitantly and am 27%. With that info what should i get down to before my first solid cycle. Would love everyone's opinions.
AGAIN THANKS FOR THE FEEDBACK GUYS!
Bro, the expectations and issues in administering steroids to men with high body fat is a practically a seminal issue of discourse that is decades old. Do power lifters that are freak strong use steroids with double digit BF percentages. Of course they do. What you're facing is the issue of having lost a great deal of weight and the fact that adipose tissue you're carrying is replete with estrogen receptors. If you're trying to lean out using testosterone derived compounds, controlling water retention and blood pressure, potential problems with gynecomastia, and the whole host of estrogen related side effects becomes problematic. Yes, there are aromatase inhibitors that help quite a bit but I think you're pushing the envelope. At 27% BF you're working with a lean body mass of 183 lbs weighing 250. So let's put you at 15% BF - now you weigh 210. IMHO, you are not going to drop another 40 lbs and maintain your current strength level. There are a number of guys at my gym that weigh 200 lbs that rep 315 on the bench with ease. If you want to look good, you will need to sacrifice some strength temporarily cut and build back up. Have you ever seen a bodybuilder prep for a show? If he's got a 400 lb bench he's not doing it a few weeks out from the show.
I just don't subscribe to the belief that athletes in your current condition can't get any help from chemicals. I don't believe it; it's not my personal experience, and, I don't think you're lazy. HGH will strip the fat off you like a furnace and get you down to a BF% where conventional AAS will begin to do you some good. That's why I recommended you research it in my initial comment. Problem? Cost. Real GH is expensive but boy does it work. I have my favorite labs for GH and you are free to PM me for the info and any other questions you might want to ask.
Good luck bro and best wishes to you this Holiday Season,
GearHead
Good shit!!!
Some folks would say you shouldn't even cycle yet until your body fat is lower. I'm not going to get into that because your probably going to do a cycle anyway. What I will say is I hate your choice of two compounds for your first cycle, especially the two you've chosen. Why not just continue with a very strict diet and cardio while you read , read, read about cycles. IMO It's the diet and cardio that's going to drop the fat, not drugs!
I'm gonna depart from the masses here. If you're pocket book will tolerate it, I would put you on growth hormone and put off Testosterone based cycles for a bit till your BF comes down. You can come down from 250 on GH and nicely too. I know this to be true from personal experience! My advice is to do some reading on GH.
Also the supplements i take are
Animal Pak post lunch
4 Fish Oil capsules
Vitamin D
Quinol(CoQ10)
Isatori Test Booster 1 hr prior to workout
10 Grams Beast Creatine
B12
10mg Yohimbine 160mg caffeine as soon as I awake and fast for the 1st hr
I workout 6 days a week
M-Back n Bi
T-Legs
W-Chest n Tri
Th-Back n Bi
Fri-Shoulders n Legs
Sat-Chest n Tri
Would love to hear feedback on any tweeks I can make.
Thanks for the feedback not exactly what I wanted to hear but I open to what everyone has to say. My diet is pretty solid at the moment and I'm still loosing weight at about 2lbs per week. My issue is when I go to a 16-8 fast or try cutting my calories to 1500 from 2100 my strength starts to go down. I am at a plateau right now of my bench being 315 and deadlift 425 and am very insecure about loosing any strength so I was hoping to cycle maybe with mast or winstrol to keep the strength while i lower the calories. Thats what I have in my head but PLEASE give me feed back on what you think.
My example diet
-Breakfast
1 scoop pro complex powder with 1 Cup Egg whites
Coffee with milk
Banana
-Lunch
4 hard boiled eggs(half the yolks)
Cup of Lentil soup
-Post WorkOut
2 scoops pro complex powder
10 grams Beast Creatine
-Dinner
6 Ounces chicken
cup of brown rice
10 spear asparagus
-Late Night
green apple
1 scoop pro complex powder with 1 Cup egg whites before sleeping
Deca: no winny: no. whats your current bf%
Like the guys below me stated, goal as of right now should be dropping body fat.Yo asking for troubles if cycling ATM. Deca is mainly to get big and winny is for cutting so you sending a mix message with the compounds you trying to use. You should try fasting or carb manipulation or even both to burn fat among with cardio (bike i.e.)
If you ask me i would say try eating food without carbs after lunch i.e. Tilapia fish, tuna, just to mention a few to force your body to burn storage energy(fat) But whatever you do just know that you need to read more bro to fully understand what you getting into, trust me if you can clean the diet that is 80% of the battle you winning right there, and the gear is just the icing on top of the cake. Good luck!
actually dht compounds and progesterone compounds have an incredible synergistic effect. deca and winny only sounds shitty, but they do stack nicely.
so we are maybe looking at 25% bf or more. Do some more cardio and better diet and drop another 50 pounds. Cutting compounds will do very little if anything to drop that weight. Get more aggressive in the gym. Gather more research visiting the diet section here. Juice is not going to magically help you lose weight and gain muscle, diet and exercise will. your 1st cycle looks badly put together so do some more research here. Good luck and be safe.
I couldn't agree more with the dropping weight first. His goal is better served by diet, cardio and being active in gym so he drops tht fat
I feel you need to read up a lot more. Too much to explain here. Lemme guide you in the shape of questions, the first time you pin yourself with 300 deca what do you think will happen to your natural test levels?
is it important for a man to have normal, if not slightly higher (for muscle gain) testosterone levels? What kind of health issues can we as men get into with low test (zero test) situation?
in my humble opinion that's what's wrong with your cycle.
over the years ive read a lot, heard a lot of pros talk about things, talked face to face with massive dudes on juice and then finally sat down, thought what seemed good to me and did it. The following is a good place to begin.
http://www.steroid.com/