Lean muscle mass cycle
Hi,
i am 28 and 187 cm tall, over 205 lbs and working out from last 5-6 years.
Body fat <16-17%
Aim: to put some lean mass (no water weight) and i do not want to loose any size (no skinny look)and later retain these gains with good pct and ofcourse diet.
The Cycle: what i have in my mind
Week 01-12 Test E 500mg/EW(divided by 2 shots)
Week 01-04 Anavar 50-70 mg/ ED
Week 04-14 Proviron 50mg /ED
Week 15-18 aromasin 20mg/ED
Week 15-15 nolvadex 40mg/ ED
week 16-18 Nolvadex 20mg/ ED
i might add Hcg in there but not sure when to add it.
I will go for Milk thistle since Anavar can be a bit heavy for liver.
i have chosen to go with Test E over Prop since i would not be comfortable with pinning ED yet.
I am thinking of Tbol as well instead of anavar but not sure at this time.
Some information:
3.5 years back i had Test and Eq cycle but had no idea at that time(well my trainer convienced me) and i did not get any thing valuable there so it was a waste of money for me.
I am quite prone to acnes and have generally low libido.
I am open to suggestions and discussions .Please provide me information, where i am lacking.
Thanks
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Way too many drugs. Extremely high expectations for a cycle. 6 foot 1 at 18% bf at 205 lbs. My friend it isn't a cycle you need its Dieting you need to work on way before you think about cycling. I'm really interested to know what your training is like , because to train for 3.5 years even on an off diet as long as your consuming "enough" food you should be further ahead and for using test and EQ you should be way further ahead. In my personal opinion you have work to do and things to learn before cycling.........
Another one of these magical hippogriff posts. Is this a new fad right now? What is this fear of gaining a little fat?
Alot of men with a female mentality and don't want any fat gain. Put some weight on and lift! What the hell is this lean bulk bullshit everyday?
What I see is subpar nutrition and training here so juicing ain't gonna help without those corrected.
Exactly "subpar nutrition and training". That is what I'm seeing also. Everyone thinks drugs will blow them right up it seems. Whatever happened to dedication, determination , persistent etc etc. Everyone wants an easier way to look awesome it seems.
Most likely they see big ass bodybuilders and just think drugs but I know of none that are huge and ripped without being 100% on their in and offseason diets and work in the dungeons.
They will learn and in a few months when all fails they'll be taking up golf or knitting.
Hi Impastable,
my post clearly says i need to learn stuff or abc of steroidolgy and ofcourse i am trying
Well my post clearly shows that i am one of those guy who fantasize great physique without knowing effort required :).
And when i say fat, i see people around in gym who are using dbol or deca and they really seems swollen up so i just want to avoid that in my case.
You can't avoid putting on fat and water weight if you're bulking, as GH said below. Just embrace it and worry about it down the road when you're cutting.
Nope.
Hi Catalyst , what do you mean "Nope" ?
Gearhead has explained below in detail. When you bulk, you add water and fat. Get this "lean bulk" idea out of your head, it doesn't work.
You cannot lean bulk bro. You cannot. Period.
Look at it this way. I'm a bodybuilder and I've been competing for 13 years and I'm pretty good at what I do. If it were possible to lean bulk - that's all every bodybuilder would do. Why bulk and then have to diet down all the time if there were a way just to gain dry lean mass?
There isn't a way. I'm going to be completely honest though. There is one way. There is something called a post show rebound when you are coming out of stage conditioning to a more normal weight and body fat. When you are leaned out all the way <4% and you start to eat again, it is possible to gain lean mass without much fat.
That, however, is useless info for 99% of folk on this website.
So, when you want to bulk, there will be water and fat if you do it right.
Hello GearHead,
thanks for your suggestions but i was reading stuff lately about Anavar that it does not give you water muscles like Deca,dbol.
And then i read quite good things about Tbol as well , so currently i was thinking between tbol or anavar.
And as people here suggesting i need to check my diet and training.
What do you think about above posted cycle ?
Anavar is not a good mass building drug, so that is out.
If you want to substitute tbol for dbol or drol go ahead. I'm not going to write a tbol profile right now, but you know the pros and cons.
Bro, you must let estrogen (Estradiol or E2) run high to get the maximum new muscle mass you can during a bulk cycle. If you suppress your estrogen and try to stay dry, you are gonna seriously cut into your gains to the point that I wouldn't even run a cycle.
Thanks for your suggestion, i think i am prone to acnes because of High Estrogen(i think) so thats why i wanted to stay away from it , but probably i am wrong.
Thanks for your suggestion.
Hey bro. I've suggested some more research is needed - see below. This is basically a first cycle for the OP. Goal is off, diet is off, training is off. I'll help him but he needs to do some research and try and figure a few things out himself.
My bad then. I just got up. First cycle? Well, that ain't gonna be no lean bulk anyways. LOL
Goodmorning to you. Friggin lean bulks and recomps everywhere. Must be a summer thing. Lol!
Welcome to eroids.
You need to do a bit more research and come back with an amended plan. Start here:
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/first-time-cycle...
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/first-cycle-when...
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/how-to-succe...
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/my-ruminations-o...
Next I question why at 28 and with your stats you even need a cycle. Your diet and training will dictate your results. You should have plenty of natural testosterone at your age to make significant progress without a cycle. AAS is just a recovery tool. That said you need to understand that if your plan is to bulk to add mass then there will be some fat and water that will come on. No too ways about it. The concept of a lean bulk or recomp is just fantasy. It doesn't work. If you aren't prepared for this then aas are not for you and focus on diet and training alone. In any event I would try and get your BF down to at least 15% before running anything.
If you do come back with your amended plan after doing more research and figuring out if an aas cycle is even appropriate I suggest you describe in detail your diet and training to be used to accomplish your goal.
Thanks for giving me these links, really helpful and i will make sure that i read them minimum 2 times more to absorb whole content.
well i will try my best to bring fat <15 % before i actually start with cycle.
But just to add few points: i am following quite good diet now (160-175 gm protein )
and train 5 days a week .
Bench: 225lbs (3-4 reps)
Deadlift: 240-250lbs
Squat: 300lbs
i dont know if the above stats are required here or not but i do not want any page to be unturned.
Regarding Training plan , i have not really thought of which schedule i will follow during cycle (ofcourse i know how to train and some basic knowledge about muscle fibers, but may be i need to do more for workout during cycle.)
Diet :
i will target 3000 kcal
250 gm protein mainly from protein shakes, steaks and eggs.
slow releasing carbs(oats,bananas,fruits)
Supplements : Omega 3 and multivitamins.
I am really not sure if my answer is appropriate (what you will be expecting ).
Please let me know if you need more information.
Oats are complex carbs, bananas and fruits are far from that, quite the opposite. They are sugar.
Fella your nutritional knowledge is a million miles away from where it should be. Alongside that you're only benching 2 plates a side for 3-4. I think you've got some work to do before starting a cycle.
Hi Catalyst,
then please help me with diet,i am ready to put effort .
thanks.
RustyhookerCatalyst link below bro. You need modifications to what you wrote down. Rely on meats etc for protein over a shake.
Have a look here, follow the instructions and we'll get you sorted out. Important you give as much detail as possible.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/diet-clinic-now-live
Exactly what I said. AAS are totally premature in this case.
bigmurphDacky is a great guy take all the information you can from him i just noticed that you mentioned that you didn't know what training plan to follow while on cycle so I wanted to add this link to your collection its one of my favorite.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/training-nutrition-diet/workout-exercise/ma...
Hi Bigmurph,
i will check this thread, thanks for posting it.
Fella I really think you need to give this some
More thought. I mean no disrespect but with stats like yours and at your age/height with those numbers for your lifts you need to be eating more and training much harder before any cycle is needed. I know this is not what you want to hear.
Your diet is nowhere near what it needs to be. Park this idea of a cycle and get a post going on Catalysts diet forum - https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/diet-clinic-now-live - to get your diet sorted out first and then get training properly. My feeling is a cycle should be a couple of years away for you.
Dacky i really appreciate your suggestions but still i would like to inform myself if this cycle (i have posted above). does it make any sense ?
And regarding diet and Training i will follow your advice.
It does not make sense. Go and read those posts I mentioned above. Consider this as your first cycle given the previous one was a disaster for you. I'm trying to get you to do the research yourself so you learn. If you still can't figure it out come back and I will tell you what wrong with it.
Hi Again Dacky,
i have tried to figure out few thing's,
If i want to put some muscles then Anavar is not right for me and
2nd thing aromasin does not make sense here because Anavar does not produce much estrogen.
and then i searched about tbol , well tbol seems ok in this case but its not easy on liver as well.
No mate it's still wrong.
Tell you what. Given all the advise given don't you think you should focus on your diet and training? I've given you the link to Catalyst's forum as has he. Work on this first and then when you are ready we can help you put a basic test only first cycle together with proper AI usage/estogen control, bloodwork and PCT.
okay. i will read them again and will try to figure out.
bigmurph+1 you have been on a roll lately with great advice.