Last month of current cycle - ADVICE!
Ok so I'm coming to an end of my favorite cycle thus far... really wish I never had to quit this one! lol
I would like some advise on the last month roughly of the cycle and going into PCT. I am a little OCD and like to have tangible items/"calendar" to go by when I cycle so I have attached my spreadsheet that I will be printing out and using... If you all wouldn't mind taking a look at that and giving me your feedback.. questions, comments, criticism... ;) ALL welcome!
Please NOTE: although the spreadsheet starts on "Day 1" that is actually the start of (week 13) of this cycle.
Weeks 1-6
* Test E @ 500mg per/week
* Arimidex .25ml every third day
Weeks 7-12
* Cut Stack 225 75mg x3 (Test P, Mast P, Tren A)
* Anavar 50mg ED
* Arimidex .25ml every third day
* Prami 1mg daily
I'll post stats here to save you a click ;)
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5'11"
190lbs
Down to 8% BF
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Is this cycle for real? Everything is in excess!?...Are those doses of anavar real?...i hope its severely underdosed for your sake. You should find the guy who told you this was a good idea and slap him..you should have just punched yourself in the nuts and saved them from steriod abuse. I say this in the kindest way possible, this cycle is stupid and i hope some noobie doesnt read it and think its the way to go
OK Slayed here is my reccomendation and if you follow it properly you will put on some much needed weight
I must be having an estro flare up FUCK.
Hey brother I appreciate you taking the time to give this feedback and advice... much appreciated man. And diet for the most part is below... I have to be honest, I don't count calories but it should give you an idea of my intake.
Soo...its essentially 600mg a week of test p mast p and tren a each with 700mg of var a week and 70mg of superdrol? then upto 1050mg of var and 175mg of superdrol...that's a ton of gear esp for someone at 190lbs forget the fact that I disagree with the AAS side of it whats your diet like?
The var dose is retarded. This guy is full of shit or it was a typo
agreed ive ran a lot of var in my day and I cant wrap my head around using 150mg a day...hes over what id use by at least 50mg and ive used var a lot...but furthermore its a waste to run high levels of var with that much tren a and mast p...then the superdrol? idk man doesn't add up to me...I feel like this is two different cycles kind of like I did one cycle and ordered my next one but decided why not run them back to back...
This is a reply to both treadinontren and Big13... Well everyone i guess in regards to the concentrations and dosing of these compounds. I've been running the cutstack 225 @ 1.25cc EOD.. so around 375mg for each compound weekly. I had planned on dropping the stack to 1cc EOD and then using the individual compounds to control the dosing and from my research it is more beneficial to run tren at a higher rate than the test which this would allow me to achieve that. The amounts are what I will have on hand, maximum dose possible... that is not what I intend on running... I mean I don't mind some PIP.. but with those being individual vials I doubt I would be able to sit if i shot 3cc in my ass in one day, esp after shooting 1cc the day prior! lmao. My goal is to determine what others have found to be the best ratio for them... I know everyone is different... But (for example) has anyone had good experiences at running minimum test, lets just say 250 test a week... and say 500 tren a week and holding off until the end to run the mast at higher doses?
In regards to the Anavar specifically I started running it at 50mg a day and then jumped up to 75mg to up to 100mg per/day. However, I was recently told by whom I would consider a reliable source (one of the very few people at the gym I go to with their pro card) And he told me running anything less than 100mg is a waste of money unless you're a chic. So, this again was the maximum dose I will have available to run for this four week period. So I think 150mg ed is a BIG NO!? is that what I am hearing? lol... which I appreciate, so what are your suggestions? run the minimum like this guy is saying at 100?
Again, thanks for the feedback
I don't think 100mg is the minimum to be run that's where I run it but ive had ok results as low as 40...the problems with var always exist though...like is it really var...is it really underdosed...I mean if you have real var I don't see ever running it at 150mg a day...do some research on what people run real var at just remember 2x the AAS doesn't mean 2x the gain at some point you can only work out so much and put on so much mass in a limited time
You are a fkn trainwreck kid.... Don't even know what to say except this is pretty fln common around here... You guys run some poorly structured cycles and THEN ask us what we think... (((SIGH)))
I wonder if he has a spreadsheet with his diet?.... should have being cursed with OCD like he says....... or am i fkn kidding myself again bro lol....... looking at that fkn layout and progress so far i bet he lives on rice krisppies
He doesn't live on Rice Krippies sir... rather Rice Krippie Treats... There is a big difference...
He mixes it up with rice krispie marshmallow treats! His diet is "on point"! LOL
right? I wanna know what his diet is!
This shouldn't be too hard lol... I don't/won't pretend to eat like a beast because I don't, and have never been able to... I do however try to eat clean and take in as much protein that I can without going broke ha
I am a creature of habit and sometimes get stuck in my ways... but here we go
Breakfast:
LITERALLY the same EVERY single day. unless I run out of yogurt!
Blended protein shake:
* Two scoops (42grams) whey protein (chocolate peanut butter flavor) btw
* Two bananas
* half cup oats
* 1 1/2 cup whole "lactaid" or silk vanilla almond milk... yea i got it bad bro...
* 5 strawberries
* Roughly half cup peanut butter... sometimes a little more I guess
* And I eye ball the ice... but around 8-10 cubes
* couple teaspoons 100% ground cinnamon (no sugar)
* and I had a lil vanilla extract few drops
(I'm telling you the full recipe, because its awesome and you should try lol)
*1 greek yogurt you'll see the kind in picture
*1-2 orange cuties/mandarin you'll see them in picture also
Lunch
I meal prep every week for lunch... you'll see tomorrow and fridays in the pic...
I try to switch this up as much as possible between meats/seafood
But here is what it generally looks like
One of the following entrees generally
*1 boneless chicken breast
salmon filet
tilapia
venison steak (I bow hunt and stay stocked!... got a small buck and two big does this year) that will get me through till around july or august if all my friends and family don't mooch!
or lastly when I can I'll pick up two full rotisserie chickens and tear them down and split em up for the week
Dinner
We try to prep here as much as we can and do a lot of meals on the croc pot...
one example... these week I made vegetable soup with venison chunks that would last a week but we switch it up we'll mix in two or three nights of something fresh...
Cod tonight with wild rice, steamed broc, and a fuckin beer or shot of tequila because y'all did everything but call me a little punk ass bitch.. ha jk I'm not but hurt..
We generally hit the gym abt 1 - 1 1/2 hrs after we eat and grab a muscle milk on the way...
When I get home I do a similar shake but with casein, and no bananas or strawberries.
In between all of this I snack a lot... and generally on the same things... not any bars in this pic... but I eat the crap out of those pure protein blueberry bars and the xxl metrx apple crisp bars.
Most everything else you see below is my "in between" from breakfast to lunch, lunch to dinner, and I snack a lil after the gym. I eat the crap out of some tuna... prob too much of that specifically.. and I like munch on those cucumbers and hummus pretty much all day.
I really wish I could eat more...Im a bitch when it comes to high intake, hell my girl eats more than I do.. and y'all see how small she is... I know how important it is and I am trying harder now.. but I have to tell/force myself to go eat.. I never have much of an appetite. Some of it has to do with my script for add (adderall), it really suppresses your appetite... not to make excuses.
So now you know the main problem of me gaining weight... or lack there of. But the food I do eat is clean... Im not the honey bun, pizza, or fried food dude... I cheat of course who doesn't.. but Im pretty disciplined.
I have gained some weight during this cycle (while lowering bf by roughly 1.5%) I hover between 199-204lbs which I'm not ashamed of... Also my cycle history is not all consecutive... I've been back in the gym for 5months now, Im not into telling sob stories, but lets just say some personal issues kept me out of the gym for about 18months.. when I dropped lbm and of course gained bf.
I appreciate everyones constructive criticism and will respond to the cycle specific concentrations separately from this one.
I was on board til I saw the muscle milk thing...really bro...but for real its not as bad as I thought pretty nice is someways ill wait and see if vitamin does the break down bc im far to tired/lazy today...but one thing I didn't notice was any late night shake...I make a 60-75gram shake post workout before bed I also workout at night and my post workout shake is 1 scoop of hydro whey...1.5 scoops of casein peanut butter 3 tbsp. min steal cut oats 1/3-1/2 cup in ff milk bout 17oz...do you have any casein in your diet? you may find it helps to maintain your muscle mass just my 2 cents again im not trying to judge you or call you out just trying to help where I can...im an eating beast but I get tired of eating too esp on bulking
LoL they that bad? ha Im gonna get reamed for this but my girl is the one who got me drinkin them bitches... Her...."But babe, they're only 2 for $6 and they taste so good!" lol they even have cookies n cream... which sucks btw if you haven't had it.. but the chocolate isn't bad ha and they're right next to the gym. I take three scoops of c4, three NO3 caps and creatine as a pre-workout if that does anything for ya lol. My late shake was the casein... I make it exactly like my breakfast shake but without bananas and strawberries... and I generally leave out the oats too unless I'm just hungry.. **btw my late gym session ends at 11pm EST every night
yeah I don't want to get anyone yelling at me but protein shakes are like AAS...in that you get what you pay for...that's not to say that some of the big days of nutrition aren't bending over a barrel for something that be bought cheaper but id change it up a little to something that's...good? im still wracking my brain overhere...but heres a serious question sleeping habits?
A lot better now... been getting gradually better over the past 6months. I was getting less than 5 hrs every night for over 18months. I am up to and average of probably 7. Adderral also plays a major role in that... have to be careful not to take after 3pm or I'm up till 4am
now that makes sense!!! less then 5hrs is real bad and 7 is good if its natural sleep...I too am/was an insomniac and if you don't get good natural sleep youll suffer a ton...but that's also a great reason to reduce your AAS esp the tren...that's not going to help your sleep...
I mean I like tren I really do but I saw better gains last cycle without it because I averaged 8-9hrs a sleep a night and incurred a lot fewer injuries and missed less days w.o out...im doing 2 tren free cycles one done one coming up in April just to take a break...and to be honest I don't really miss it all that much...the sleep without it has been unreal.
I've been using sleep aids...so haven't noticed a difference obviously, using them long before the cycle. But I imagine it would kill me with the problems I already have!
u sound like the supplement king, hows ya bp
I guess? you don't use any pre-workout? I should prob stop the C4 at least... ya just get used to that insane amt of energy pinpointed when you want and without a crash after... hard to match! Columbian coffee comes close tho! lol
BP levels are normal, also another thing much improved! 8months ago... not so great!
looks like a birds dinner wheres the seeds....lol
sorry I cant read I missed the line about the casein shake
I guess with this too why are you running the above compounds in your cycle? you don't really need to cut...any chance of you posting a pic?
soon as he puts one up bro (if) i am shit hot at math i will tear it down into a macro count in minutes then the problem will be on the table.
I am not even gettin into it over the cycle thats just fkn lunacy and i dont want to get stressed even thinking about.... sometimes a man just has to close his eyes to resume sanity lol
do you think this is a case of I cant grow due to my diet so im going to take as much AAS as I can and see if that works? I mean im not trying to be rude or disrespect this guy that's not who I am...but I really want to see his diet...OP if youre reading this can you tell me how much mass you've gained and kept from past cycles...im not trying to judge just trying to wrap my head around this...and so far all signs point to too much gear and not enough nutrients
Classic nutritional problems here for sure with the 5 runs and 190 thing....... cant understand the rip blend being in here though with a BF @8% ..... i think we have an ignorance to compounds too bro..... and the SD and var thing well!.... thats just head fuck imo
QUESTION .... Stats shown! are they your current stats or the end goal.
Because if this is your 5th cycle and you only weigh 190 we have a problem man.
Holy Sht!! 25mg of SD on top of 150mg of var and tren to round it off! How many cycles have you ran before this? Wish you would have put this up to get comment on BEFORE you started it. You aren't going to be around long running cycles like this at your age. It may sound like everyone is ripping on you but they are really looking out for your health and trying to make sure you run cycles safely for your intended goals
Check response below..just posted. I am only in week 10.. haven't started this yet. I figured the Sdrol would raise some eyebrows! ha Guess ill hold that in my back pocket for next cycle. Everything else look good? I put out there the maximum amounts I would even consider running.
I will have the cutstack (75 x 3) and each individual compound @ 100mg/ml short esters to control dosage better, and that is one of the main things id like to get some good feedback on... would 600mg each compound weekly be pushing it? I know I don't want to go over that... maybe find a happy median somewhere.
And this is my fifth cycle.
Thanks for the response and feedback
Why not just finish off your current cycle of test e instead of completely changing everything for the last 4 weeks. Doesn't really make much sense. Would make more sense to continue on with your current cycle and adjust your diet to meet your new goals.
Ive been off the Test E for a month...I corrected my typo, I had 8 weeks on Test E rather than 6, I apologize.
I have been on the cut stack since that time. With Anavar as well. Really, Really like this stack... very mild sides... I sweat very mildly at night, but I always have so its hard for me to really notice the difference... I wouldn't dare turn that fan off though lol. Energy level is up, motivation, libido, I've been pulling two a days for two weeks straight man! Not that I haven't been motivated before... I've done that off cycle, but the results I am seeing keep me constantly pushing myself. My mid section is literally the best its looked in my life and incline dumbbell press and leg press I'm setting NEW best weekly. I want to post pre and post cycle pics but am going to wait until I'm completely finished with this cycle.
This is a mess plain and simple too many compounds. Can I be your source because I would be rich off you taking the same compounds. FKN cut stack ED would have been enough. Were you trying to fuck yourself up? You should NEVER run this cycle again and get some more research into you instead of chemicals my friend. This is not a FKN race this is a marathon.
The cut stack is basically all I am running with exception to Anavar...? you really think Anavar is gonna fuck me up? Ive never had any ill effects from it...
Maybe it looks like more than it is...I just broke the individuals down because I am currently running the cutstack ED. but Ive decided to keep on hand the individual bottles of all three (3) test p, mast p, and tren a, so I could control and monitor the dosing and sides more effectively.
In regards to the Superdrol... maybe <<this is what you're referring to... Ive never ran it, but heard great things, but also heard its very strong! May not even add it this cycle, but wanted to feel its effects to see if its something i would incorporate into my next cycle? Guess I shouldn't! ? Too much? Just keep it on hand..
None of these figures/concentrations are set in stone... I am currently on week 10... and wanted to get some Vets like you to give some good feedback before I went into this last phase. I appreciate your feedback brother... but could you be more specific on compounds or dosing?
Thanks again!!
let me get home and I will make some reccomendations for you but I have more questions as well
26 yo we need mod advice up in here im not willing too its that badunless they give the nod
Also... This would be the first time I run clomid and nolva simultaneously.. (Usually just nolva) Read good things abt the combo.. Feedback on experiences there would be great too!
Holy shit are u kidding me u never even have ran a proper pct but yet u are running this bullshit cycle. Wow the mods will clean this up
How in the world have I not ran a proper PCT brother!? come on. I said I have never ran the two Nolva and Clomid simultaneously. Half the advice i get is clomid is unnecessary when running higher amounts of Nolva... WHICH is what I've always done and ran extensively in addition to running HCG throughout my entire cycles on all but 2 and those I ran my HCG for four weeks and over 12000 iu following my cycle. In addition I always take my AI's and anti prol when necessary. ( I have stashes of both aromasin and arimidex that i keep on hand.) In additional I keep caber on hand and I have a script for Prami) I don't cut corners I take that shit very seriously even though I've never been convinced to be prone. Thank you for the comment! I do appreciate it...but I think you read into that differently than what I meant to express.
Just by u saying u don't need clomid BC u run nolva proves u don't know that each one does something entirely different during your pct I'd advise u to read up some info not goin to argue with u. If a proper pct to u is high doses of nolva and undont want any advice I'm out
Not here to argue with anyone... Believe me! I don't know everything... Hell not even half of what most of you gentleman do, nor will I pretend to... That's why I come here man. To educate myself, to get mentored and to better myself. You will never find me turn something into a dick swinging contest I respect your opinion, advice, and even constructive criticism. Hopefully you can teach me something today and I will be grateful! I do have clomid on hand for this PCT alongside my nolva... Simply because this is the strongest cycle I have ran and I know it can only be beneficial to run them together.. Just hadn't in the past because all my gym buddies(prob not the best source for info) but also couldn't find anything convincing of a varying difference online. Hopefully you can expand upon this with your knowledge. I just posted this and cited the source... I find a lot of this? Maybe there are better sources out there? Here ya go buddy: http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/clomid-vs-nol...
Hopefully you know you shouldn't be running Nolva in your PCT after taking a 19nor. Sub the nolva with torem. 90/90/60/30 for the torem and 100/100/50/50 clomid
ffs tren and sd again, you need a better pct and stacking orals..........geez
Duration wise...? Or strength
you need a pro in here mate.......i dont like what i see.....you need viking