posted Sat, 10/06/2012 - 13:28
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Is this overkill?
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Hey guys,
I am planning my 5th cycle and just wanted to get some input.
Stats...
28
190
6'1
give or take 10% bf
planned cycle...
1-4 anadrol 50mg ED
1-4 prop 100mg EOD
1-16 test e 750mg (split twice in two pins a week)
1-16 EQ 600mg (split twice in two pins a week)
17-18 prop 100mg EOD
My first question is, I have never tapered with prop...would two weeks be long enough to then start PCT 2 days later?
Second question, is running the drol AND prop overkill as a kickstart? I want to use the prop to get my levels up quickly and would LOVE the size and strength gains from the drol. I settled on 50mg ED because the sides somewhat scare me and I have never ran it before.
My main goal with the cycle is to get my weight over 200, preferably 210.
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I think it is over kill go with one or the other as a kick start IMO go with the prop. It's much safer. Also drop the eq to 14 weeks due to the long ester and taper down as you have planned.
AnonHey inked, I feel ya man. Could be that your a late bloomer. I stayed at 178lbs for the longest and didn't start to put on muscle until I started lifting at 28. I began to fill out really well and even got up to 260 with the help of some deca that I ran for about 4 weeks. Lost it quickly though but managed to stay around 240lbs. Did not use AAS again until my 50's. i say get a good cycle bro and run it. At 6'1" you can put on some quality muscle bro and keep most of it if you do it smartly. I think Deca and Test w/ some prop at both ends would suit you nicely man. I see no reason for you not to get between 200 and 210. All the best.
Thanks guy, I appreciate the words of wisdom! I'm going to keep dong my thing and continue to learn!
how have you banged out 4 cycles so far and only weigh 190?
First off...it was 3 as I stated I fucked the first one up dip ship. Also, not everyone's goals are the same. After training naturally for years, I still have a hard time putting on any size. Lesson is done come on someone's thread and act like a fuck tard if your not going to contribute anything useful.
Always stick with your goals. I like 200cut....even if i can get bigger its fine for me. You just do what ya gotta and by your standards. You'll do great.
bro, i wasn't even trolling i'm just saying you've ran that many cycles and let all your gains go? i'm the same size as you natty man, and like you I don't like the huge hulk look either. i'm just saying you should be like at least a clean 205 by now.
and i got flamed for wanting to start my first ever cycle of TEST E because I'm 6'1" 185 natural 4+ years training. but this guy is 190 and juicing his balls off and it's all good. interesting logic people...
Post up pics before you talk shit about people. And you're gonna run the cycle anyway right? So why are you whining? Just an FYI I was following your thread and you thinking you can only get so big naturally is a crock of shit. I'll put up your first cycle that at 185 naturally I looked better than you do currently.
i'm not talking shit, i'm saying he's ran four cycles and is only at 190? i'm pretty much 185-190 NATURAL 13% ish bodyfat. if i was "on" that long i'd be a lot bigger.
anyway I haven't pinned yet, i'm waiting on my shit to get here. and yes you CAN ONLY GET SO BIG NATURALLY, it's called a genetic limit. if that wern't the case, there would be no use for AAS. some of you dudes are juicing your balls off for years on end and aren't getting any bigger either, even with the help of synthetic hormones so yes you can only take it so far naturally and artificially.
13%ish? whats that look like? anyways bro if you judge your accomplishments by the scale then you got it all wrong, the scale dont mean shit! ive seen dudes ripped and looking big as fuck at 175, some dudes are gonna have 8% BF with a 30inch waist and another with the same height and weight and BF% with a 27 inch waist, who do you think is gonna look bigger...And your right some guys are juicing there balls off with no accomplishment, happens all the time. if your gonna juice youll have cycles that dont do much for you, cycles where you loose all your gains. These things are gonna happen to everyone, if you kept everything then why do more then a couple cycles for life right? its a process of learning every cycle. Do me a favor and try to contribute to the site so I dont have to ban you.
i understand my approach may have been perceived as a little out of line though, i was just basically implying juice isn't the answer to life's problems, and i'd hate to see a bro wasting his time doing it if he's gonna lose it all.
anyway, i appreciate your insight Roid Noid, about the learning curve of seeing what works for your body/diet/training/etc, pretty straight answer and i will try and keep my comments a little more constructive next time.
Guess you didn't wanna take me up on my offer huh? Next time you run your mouth back it up kid. Just an FYI I have pics of me natural where I am 3 inches shorter than you and would put you to shame. So keep your petty comments to yourself and let him run his gear the way he wants. You wanna talk about yourself make your own thread for it. Don't come here insulting people. Otherwise I'll befriend you and shit on you in pm because I don't do that in open forum anymore.
Four posts and u have contributed absolutely nothing but insult Inked. And u want me to believe ur not a fucking troll. Contribute something worthwhile or get off this thread.
is it to much for a 5th cycle? NO! is it the best compounds for the cycle probably not! however its been done before im sure, do some searches and find out what people liked or didnt like about the cycle....Im gonna comment on the drol and prop first, I see some vets say its to much, and I will agree that the length of the cycle would be long with the prop added, like 19 weeks of test and if your not TRT thats risky. However I prefer running my oral with test, its much better when I combine the 2 compounds as opposed to running one and then the other. So to accomadate your idea and solve the length problem run the oral 3-7, a few days before the test kicks in. Now drol wouldnt be my choice with EQ as it was stated but it could be ran, however I would recommend a stronger AI then adex such as Aromason or a higher then average dose of dex to keep the water weight down. Im sure some of it will still be there regardless. Get some BP meds and keep an eye on that. My suggestion would be however to run this cycle with T-bol 3-7.
Damn, now this is the kind of guidance I was looking for! I truly appreciate the time you put into that response! By BP meds, are you referring to natural ones like hawthorne or beta blockers like propranolol?
lisinopril 10mg a day is what I run, mines a script. I waited till I was on cycle and BP was high went in and got a script.
Right on...they have it at ADC, so I might add that to the order I needed to place soon anyways. at $2.85 for 10 pills...you really cant go wrong!
That's exactly my script!
have you been successful in gaining size in previous 4 cycles? 6'1 190 is toward the lighter side for someone with 4 cycles i think unless you were trying to stay lighter on purpose which is definitely possible.
The last 3 yes...no not the first cycle unfortunately. I was a dumbass and didn't take peoples advice and lost most of what I gained. My training, diet and overall lifestyle are much more in check now. I do want to stay "lighter", I wouldn't want to go much past 210.
gotcha. if you're going for a true bulker, just make sure you eat a ton.
Eq has 17 day halflife.....might go 3Weeks taper. Im going 3 taper off this eq run....same reason sustanon has three Weeks til pct. Super long ester
Right on, I'll take that into consideration with the taper!
Yes I believe prop and drol would be over kill and 2 weeks will be enough my man.
IMO yes prop and drol are overkill and drol with an eq cycle seems counter productive... Let diet dictate size my man
2 wks is perfect taper with enth. pct 3days after last pin
well, here is my reasoning for it...not saying its RIGHT...just how I broke it down. And by all means, give me your reasoning too!
The drol is going to pack on quick water weight and give me quick strength and size. While I want to use the EQ for its effects on my appetite. I have a HARD time putting weight on and getting enough calories so I was hoping the EQ would help with the bulking part. My diet is extremely clean. Chicken, fish, lean red meat, turkey, brown rice, sweet potatoes, whole wheat pasta and such.
Be the turtle bro, drol will not leave you with sustainable (quality) gains. Make your gains with food and don't try and make them all in one cycle
solid advice...I appreciate it! I suppose if I have this much hesitation with drol, I should probably wait or leave it along all together.
Kick it off with Tbol bro. Less water but solid power and mass gain. It's what I'm using now instead of my dbol. Drol has it's place depending on goals. Ask Nitti. Everybody is different and reacts different. Hwood is right Drol normally isn't mixed with a lean mass cycle.
I do like the tbol idea...I had kicked that idea around initially! I was concerned that I was looking for strength gains and wasn't going to see enough with tbol as opposed to drol. However, never having ran EITHER...I am only guessing. I also just shot Nitti a PM to get his input as well.
Another option is to go wet and roll with a drol/deca cycle and clean it up post cycle
That is what he really needs to do here,reading the whole thread i think he is expecting too much from the bold and really wants to go for SIZE... deca with a drol kicker would be ideal.. i would add provi in a run like this also at 25mg ED for the complete cycle length which would be a min of 12wks with deca.
Following your though of deca instead of EQ...would 300mg deca and 750 test e about right? Deca dick scares me, however keeping my test-deca at a 2:1 should be fine and adding in the Proviron will help even more as well as an overall enhancer.
Spot on ratio that bro.. and the provi will keep your wood up as well as helping keep more free test for full utilization... thats a cracking little cycle that will for sure yeild some good gains and a good strength increase as a freebie.
Perfect! I use proviron for the exact reason u said. I tend to use it on a as needed basis. Proviron is great for getting rid of libido or wood problems.