Injection Question - Problems with Total Oil Amount?
Hey all, this is my first post to eroids! I haven't posted on here but I have been a "lurker" for a while. I can't seem to find an answer to a pretty simple question. Please forgive me if it has already been asked.
The cycle that I am planning is a basic Test/Deca cycle at 500mg Test E and 300 Deca per week. My Test E is 300mg/ml and my Deca is 250mg/ml. This means that I will have to inject ~1.66ml Test E and 1.2ml Deca. That is almost 3ml of oil; would this be fine to inject all at once into a single site? Would it be better to split up the injections to different sites/days?
I am also curious if anyone has some general guidelines on how much oil should be considered a "maximum" (possibly this is very compound-dependent?). I would like to run a similar cycle to this one, but using 200mg/ml Test E instead (it's what is available to me) - which would come out to 3.7ml of oil total! I would really appreciate it if I could get some advice from someone who has some experience in this area!
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I gotta ask for your stats. If this is your first cycle then do 600 mgs of teste e only for 12 weeks with a proper AI throughout, and PCT at the end with nolva and clomid. If you have alreday ran a cycle then I would just do 600mgs of test and 250 mgs of deca and the math will be easier for you and less sides with lower a dose of deca. So 1ml of test e and 1/2 ml of deca in the same barel pinned twice a week in the glutes on monday/thursday for 12 weeks and don't forget to use caber or prami throughout with deca. I also would like to highly recomend getting bloodwork on this cycle. Trust me, I just went through this cycle.
AnonQuest 1) Def Split up injections until you find out how you react to the oils, even if you reacted well 3ml in one spot gonna suck.
You understand you want to pin twice a week not it all in one setting once a week right? I would just make it easier on yourself and do 600mg of test a week, 250 mg of deca a week until you get compunds that are dosed in the oil without having to do like 1.2 ml and such..example)
Monday: 1ml of test e (300mg) 1/2 ml of deca (125mg) all in the same shot
Thursday: 1ml of test e (300mg) 1/2 ml of deca (125mg) all In the same shot
You get more stable blood levels at pinning twice a week, if you didn't know this you need to do a bit more research
You beat me to it. I was typing my answer out while you already posted lol.
Anongreat minds think a like, or at least logical!
AnonWhats your cycle history, stats and such..Whats your AI and anti prolactin drug you are using on this cycle? I prolly should have asked before giving you advice above
Ha, I knew that question was going to come up but I didn't want to make my post huge. My first cycle was ~2 years ago Dbol only (don't judge!). I grew and then shrunk back down like a lot of newbies do. About 1 year ago today, I did a simple Sust 250 cycle for 10 weeks with nolva PCT. I kept about 15 lbs of solid mass after PCT. I have been working out regularly and eating fairly well since I came off that cycle in March 2012.
When I first started working out 3 years ago I was 140lbs - I was a cross country runner in HS and I have an ectomorph frame. I am probably still a ways away from my natural limit but I am definitely having a much harder time putting quality weight on than when I started (duh!).
I am 28 years old
I am 5'10", 200lbs with about 14-15% bf (this is a guess based on pictures of other people, but if anything I am high-balling it - my cheap bathroom scale says 14% as well)
I was planning on Test E for 12 weeks and Deca for 10. I am planning to front load with 1000mg Test E and 600mg Deca. I was planning on two injections (hence the question), but now I am thinking more... on week 1 and then switch to 250/150 twice a week. Sorry for not making this clear in my original post.
Edit: I'm planning on running Adex .25mg ED starting week 3 (more if needed) and running Nolvadex 40/40/20/20 for PCT. I am not planning on running an anti prolactin as I didn't think I would need it with this dose of Deca. Please correct me if I am wrong!
Anonok I see where you are getting at.. I wouldn't even frontload, you haven't had a cycle in over a year.. just pin normally as stated above, I would have some prami or caber on hand for deca prolactin issues, but add 600mg of B6 to your vitamin routine during this cycle...200mg in morning, 200mg mid day, 200 mg with dinner, that should cover the prolactin issue unless your are an individual who is prone that's why u need the caber or prami on hand. Id prolly throw some clomid in the PCT also
OK, I will add the B6 into my vitamin routine and get some Caber just in case I have issues. As for the dose, I will take your advice of 300/125 TE/Deca to make the dosing more accurate and keep the likelihood of prolactin issues lower since Deca is a new compound for me. As far as the PCT, I bounced back quite well on just Nolva on my first injection cycle so unless the Deca changes things, I feel like "less is more" in this case. Thanks for the information/advice - I will make sure to give you an upvote when I am allowed!
You want to stay way from nolva with 19nors which that's what deca is. It can make gyno issues worse I'm pretty sure I'm correct
I forgot to mention that your test e needs to be ran 2 weeks after your last deca shot. I wouldn't front load a high amount of test and deca. Personally I don't think it will do anything good for you and you should probably kick start with dbol or prop if you don't want to wait 4 weeks for your test to kick in. I would also run clomid in your pct. Thats a heavy cycle for a week nolva only pct so why take the chance? Don't quote me on this but im pretty sure you wanna run that adex every 3rd day. Again im highly recomending you get blood work so you can see if you need to up your AI dose or lower it. Our AI recomendations are only a refrence so there is no way of knowing what you need till you get bloods. Also I would run that caber or prami before sides show up or again watch your bloods for high prolactin.
I plan to run Test E for 12 weeks and Deca for 10. I am unable to get blood work at my current location, and I won't be in a place where I will for quite some time. I did blood work 3 times (before, mid-cycle and one week after PCT) during my first injection cycle - Sust 250 for 10 weeks at 250mg E3D and everything looked really good. I had Arimidex on hand for my first cycle but I never felt the need to use it. I retained a little bit of water and my nipples were slightly more sensitive than normal but that's it.
How important would you consider the blood work to be? Would it be more wise to just run test-only again since I know how my body responds to it? I was thinking that this dose of Deca was low enough that I would not have to worry about prolactin/progesterone issues but still give me a "taste" of what it's all about. Especially since I didn't have issues with the test-only cycle. Could I just lower the Deca dose even further? I am already planning on 125 2x/week instead of 150 2x/week. I already got the Deca but I can be disciplined and not use it until I have access to blood tests.
I consider bloodwork to be very important especially with deca. For example, I just ran a test/deca cycle and started having problems. I had no gains, not very strong, didn't want to be in the gym, dick didn't work. I ran 750mgs of test e and 500mgs of deca for 12 weeks and test e only for weeks 13 and 14. I got bloods 1 day after my last test e shot and seen that my estrogen was 5 times higher than the highest normal range. I also paid a lil extra to see where my prolactin was because I suspected I had "deca dick". Fortunately my dick problems were because my adex was bunk and caused enough estrogen to make my dick not work. If you get very high in prolactin and don't realize it, it can make your dick not work for up to 2 years. Thats why I consider a bloods test very important. You can do what you want and you might get by just fine with a lower dose at 250 mgs of deca split twice a week with your 500mgs of test e split twice a week but im just letting you know what I went through and what could happen. What if your test is bunk? What if your AI is bunk? What if you caber or prami is bunk? You won't know till its too late or when you get bloods.