Im a noob. help me first cycle.
So i have been lifting for 3 years. I have seen great gains my first 2 and less and less since.
I am 25 about to be 26. 14% Bf at 510 190.
A few bros at my work have been using gear for 15 years and another 2. I find it hard to trust them for advice as they seem to do the extremes of everything.
So far im thinking
Test P and anavar for my first cycle. Im not expecting to be absolutely ripped when i come off just safe and a lil more aesthetic.
Im concerned i don't know what a good starting dose would be and when to pyramid it up or if that is even what i need to do along with pct.
Im sure this a very popular topic on this site and prob worn out along with it but I appreciate everyones advice in advance.
Also, if this is the right way to go. How much should i order?
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you need to do alot of research, and i hope you have already done so. you have done the right thing by asking around on here instead of taking your buddys advice as golden. imo 25 is fine to start using steroids, its your body so do what you want to it, just do it the right way. 18 is too damn young but anyone who says that 25 is too young ask them when they started or what they were doing at 25. most will say that they werent lifting like they are now, and they were probably getting fucked up back then. and if those people who say 25 is young ask them what they would have done if they were in your position with the same knowledge that you have. also 25 is the age when your natural T levels are on their downfall, even though it may not diminish rapidly but it definitely wont be higher the older you get, also 25 is the age when you can legally be prescribed hgh and Test from anti-aging clinics, esp if you can get the test to say the right thing. but yes you can get it Rx'd at a younger age if you have a deficiency.
you need to start out small, also with prop you will need every other day injections, so think about that before ordering anything. imo you should start out with test enanthate or cypionate at 500mg per week so 250mg shot monday and thursday, and go for 10-12 weeks. shooting twice per week will get you more settled in to the world of gear instead of eod shots.
pyramiding is a thing of the past, users did that back in the day when they didnt have the ancillaries/pct meds that we have today. now you can use a constant dose throughout the cycle because of pct meds, and make sure that you get all the proper meds before you inject anything. you dont want to run into any problems and not have the meds to help. good luck with your cycle bro.
Thank you everyone for the sound advice i will research and read more, this site is a wealth of knowledge. I will for sure not do any orals and stick to test e at 500 a week. As well i will have my diet looked after, As far as obtaining the gear what is the normal amount of a test e as well pct i should obtain.
Im really concerned about having everything on hand before i start, I appreciate the feedback on not knowing my own natural potential so thats something i need to think about also.
Thanks everyone.
if you dont frontload the test e then you will need 2 10ml vials, which will give you 10 weeks if you shoot twice per week and if the dose on the vial is between 250mg/ml-300mg/ml, so if you got test e 300 you could still shoot it twice per week and come out with 600mgs per week.
PCT- nolva and clomid- many people do it different ways but i dose my nolva and clomid depending on what i'm running, and also the length i run it depending on what i was using. so for you i'd say nolva- 60mg the 1st day,40mgs per day for days 2-11, and 20mgs per day for days 12-21. Clomid-200 mgs the 1st day, 100mgs per day for days 2-11, 50mgs per day for days 12-21. i do clomid differently than most, i usually do 300/150/50 but also depending on what i am using. if your nips become sensitive, itchy, etc, use nolva at 20mgs per day until it goes away, so if you are sensitive to gyno or estrogenic sides then you may want to keep an AI on hand for your next cycles.
Upvoted for good advice.
Simple cycle:
Test E @500 mg per week -- 2 injections
NO ORALS (YOU NEED TO SEE HOW YOU HANDLE TEST ALONE)
Make sure you have all your PCT and Estrogen blockers.
ImTestyHey man, I'm gonna give you my story because I'm currently doing my first cycle and learned everything I did from the vets and great posts on here. So I am currently 8 weeks in on my first cycle and I chose to run 12 week cycle Test E with a 4 week kick start of Test P. So it looked like this
12 week cycle
Weeks 1-4 test p 100 mg eod
Weeks 1-12 test e 500 mg split into two injections of 259 mg twice a week
Adex and aromasin on hand(luckily havnt had to use ethier)
PCT beginning two weeks after last injection consolation of
Nolva 40/40/20/20 (40mg everyday for first week, 40 second, 20mg everyday third etc)
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Now I know ppl to reccommend a short ester like test p because of the frequent injections but I had injected bunk gear before so figured since I had expirence with the needle I would go for it.
Secondly did not add a oral like anavar because most vets told me to see how my body reacts to just the test alone. Plus I'm young first of many cycles, slow and steady wins the race. HOWEVER!! I cannot preach enough how Important a clean diet is...I know you say it 100% put post it in nutrition section and see what the vets say. I come to realize working out is the fun part after slaving in the kitchen and making sure you get a meal or shake on approx. every 2.5 hours!! But that's my story take it and do what you want with it. PM if have any further questions! And listen to the vets they know what their sayin!!
You will make your best gains on very moderate dosages on your first cycle. I recommend test e or test c only cycle for 10-12 weeks. Most will say run 500 mgs of test split bi weekly, so 250 mgs twice a week. Standard 22 day Clomid/nolvadex pct works great for most. And have an Aromatase Inhibitor like aromasin or arimidex on cycle if estrogen is a problem, running hcg during cycle at 250iu twice a week is also a good idea. I wouldn't stack your cycle yet, see how the test only feel, you want to know how your body reacts to it before adding other compounds. My first cycle was test e only for 10 weeks and it was my best cycle out of the four I've run so far. That's my .02
Hi
2-3 years of training is really minimal. Also 25 is young for AAS especially with 2-3 years of training. A guy/girl with 8-10 years lifting expierence at 25 is one thing but your an example of somebody who hasn't realized your natural potential. It sounds like you want instant success but I guarantee if you are clean from AAS and keep at it you will break barriers THEN go to juice if you still want.
I know you won't though so here is my advice: Start with Test E at 250mg 2X per week. No need for confusion here just run the test E and see how you react to it.
Good luck and be safe!
Thank you FCV i will look long and hard into it. That was the response i was hopeing for.
I did not mention but i have a good clean diet mostly chicken/rice/sweet patatos and with protein supplementation.