I was told to ask here about a good cycle as i am newer.
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Hello everyone, i used to be 360-380 lbs morbidly obese and overweight most of my life and in the past 5-6 years i toned down to 180 and built back up to my current weight of 260-265 all natty. I have a goal to reach my old fat weight of around 350 all muscle, but i seem to have hit a wall which is why i am here. I went to two sources described on here being some of the most reputable and with one i have been waiting 30+ days hoping it still comes in for my dbol/test-e, but i went ahead and went to a more domestic source for just a test blend in hopes to get it fast so i can push further. Overall besides the source issues i am here mostly for advice and some guidance as i am a newb to this and have been on this journey alone for the most part. My original cycle i wished to do was 40mg oral Dianabol a day + 500mg a week of Test-E (Test = 12 weeks and Dbol = 4on 4off 4 on then break). Now due to source latency or overall not receivable i went ahead and purchased a Test blend that features 100mg Cypionate 100mg Decanoate 100mg Phenylpropionate 75mg Propionate 25mg Suspension ... and i would be doing this alone if my other order doesnt come in around same time. I was told to start slow as i wanted originally to do Test-P and Anadrol stack together, but was told due to my first cycle and that i am slightly bi-polar it would not be good to jump into that stack so quickly, but to go more mildly which is why i was aiming towards a light test/dbol or Test blend cycle. Any tips, guidance, advice??? also my diet is very important i am trying to cut more as cutting is super hard for me, gaining muscle mass naturally is a complete joke for me as it is so easy, but gaining fat comes just as fast even when cutting carbs and fats down to almost non-existence in my intake.
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Current:
265lbs
16%-20% body fat at any given time
height 6'1''
schedule 6 days a week 1.5-2hours per day
intake = 2000 - 3000 lean calories (more towards 2000)
Carbs = 20-50g a day
fat = 20-30g a day
Goal: (This is where you help guide me with my cycle hopefully)
I want to be at 300lbs by February
I want to cut fat while bulking which i know sounds dumb
What should i do or aim for?
One big source order = 30ML of Test-E 250mg/ml + 200 10mg Dianabol oral tablets (Waiting on order currently @ 30+ days :( 12 weeks of 500mg per week of test-e + 40mg a day of Dianabol for 4 weeks then 4 week break then 4 weeks on again to finish with my test cycle. )
Recently placed order with another source for : Test Blend which includes the following @ 400mg of the following per 1ml @ 40ml total:::
100mg Cypionate
100mg Decanoate
100mg Phenylpropionate
75mg Propionate
25mg Suspension
I still have hope i will get my first order in and ironically i will probably get both at same time if first does still come in as planned. Should i aim for the dbol+test e first or go with the test blend, or maybe wait for both and stack test blend + dbol @ 40mg a day?
Not sure what to do and some friends who did it in the past told me to talk to people here since very new to gear.
UPDATE: For those that were asking for pics and weight levels this is my progression since i been doing this natural ...aka weight loss and training.
http://postimg.org/image/oh7i9g0q9/ <<<once page loads click the image to enlarge it to normal size
Its in chronological order... started at high 300's and 2nd picture is when i was around 175-180s and it progresses.
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Im reading this trying to figure out where to begin... first of all let me explain this to you YOU BULK OR CUT .. not both at the same time...first of all dbol will bloat you and its mainly gonna just give you water weight. what you need to focus on is diet.. that test blend is garbage bro ... that blend really has no unity in it.. what for your Test E to come in I would honestly do a cycle of test E only for 14 weeks and train hard eat big and once the cycle is over then diet!!! cardio and busting your ass in the gym daily to strip any fat you have put on . that's my honest recommendation for you.
Any kind of protein/carb amount you could recommend? Also should i cut natural fats out or just eat like crazy as long as its supportive? My buddy told me im going to have to drink about 2+ gallons of water a day during training days if i want to see good results on dbol.
Brother did you not read what I wrote? What's your goal.. It's bulk or cut not both
Why do you believe that AAS is the route to take to enhance your physique? 16-20%BF is a wide range. I am gonna guess your 20% for starters, until u show some more solid proof that its lower. If you dropped to 180 what was ur BF% at that time? And if you are 28, do you have genetic predisposition and familial history of morbid obesity in your family? Dont get me wrong, i am glad you are here. I believe you need to take another look into the future before you put any more weight on your frame whether it be muscle or fat, especially using AAS. Welcome to EROIDs...brother
Edit: do u have any recent bloodwork? If not, u need to get it done before you cycle. Find out what your Free and Total Testosterone level is...there are several options to choose from thru privatemdlabs.com...a female hormone panel.would be the best option.
My testosterone levels are completely spikey and my doctor cant explain it either. I will sometimes be 300 or upwards toward 700 at which point i deal with tons of oil and my chest breaking out which his annoying - i had a blood test done for my low lithium regiment im on and its all perfect within the ranges a healthy person would have. The weight thing was due to me eating like crap and being lazy for a long portion of my life and not hereditary at all or thyroid related. I was 7% body fat when i was 180 as well, I dont mind water weight, the only area i would like to lose some fat content is really my stomach area to tighten up, other than that i want to just get bigger and stronger overall, I have a decent core, but no definition haha.
Thanks for posting your history. If you can include anything else, please do. I will research your condition and come up with a plan for you. I still dont believe an anabolic cycle should be in your plan. I have felt that way from the beginning. I saw your inquiry about protein intake. I have some more questions for you that will help me, help you with your macros and food choices. When u get a chance, query the Harris Benedict Equation and calculate your BMR with activity. I believe you will need some intense and slightly diverse diet modification. I will get back with you tomorrow. No steroids, please. Thank you.
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Edit: what is your ethnicity? And, u have never cycled steroids, correct?
Thanks i appreciate the effort, I am Caucasian of Greek/Irish descent, this as well would be my first cycle as well, I am awaiting my gear to come in from two sources so there is some time which is why i turned to the community while i have the chance before i act upon my stupid impulsiveness.
Thank you. Much appreciated.
Med you're killing it around here brother. Keep up the great fucking work!
I think i might have met my match with this fella!!...i have his plan ready....but it just goes against my beliefs and values for being healthy. His LBM is 175-180. He says he has been there before with BF ~7%. I wish i could see a pic. Why cant he just stay at that weight..lol???!
So, 73", 265lbs and 16-20%, now just seems like a monster, already. And he wants to hit 300 by February!! He didnt mention at what BF% and i only see it done a healthy way by min to mod carbs. I can get him there with daily caloric/macros 5000/(400/200/160) and 8 meals every 2 hours, but its gonna take slin, gh and test along with provi/mast combo to make it right, maybe not, but i am not a pro..lol..OP is the one doin the work, which is gonna take pyramid in all degrees of weight and 20' cardio 2x/week. It just seems unreal. By the time i am done, i am the one who is gonna need the lithium...lol...no offense OP!!
Haha i really appreciate the guidance, i honestly do this for personal reasons and want to make sure i do this right taking the next step. I updated my original post with a makeshift time line of pictures of me so you can get an idea of my body progression... including my fat pic as well. That meal regiment is going to be the hardest part i can already tell, but in relation as you stated if im going to get to a healthy BF% i am going to have to be extremely conscientious about what is in everything i intake. Do you recommend sprinting or normal mild and continuous cardio? Cardio has always been my bane of existence in the gym, that could be a reason why my BF% is hard to maintain as well unless im practically starved and in workout anorexic mode.
The more intense cardio, the longer it will take for u to reach 300 by Feb. Stick to bicycle/eliptical/treadmill and work with a moderate speed and pace 20' 2x/wk.
Sounds and looks like ur Endo/Meso. What do u think? From that macros u will need to get 300g of daily protein from natural food sources. So, for 8 meals thats 37.5g protein per meal. The other 100g could come from whey and isolate powder, (2 shakes/d with 2-27g/scoops (54g) and the overage would be the milk (whole or 2%) used...make sure to add those into carbs and fats if not, food is better.
If u gain easy then diet is the best bet to try first. I know staying in a positive nitrogen balance will make transition and goals more attainable, so be ready to titrate those calories and macros, in the event u decide to use a single compound with ancillaries to maximize the effectiveness of your AAS of choice. So, with that being said, at your current stats you need 2453 calories to maintain ur 265lbs. With activity, based off ur 6 day/wk work out that number increases to 4300 (1.75) and 4900 (2.0). IMHO, I believe u should allow for more rest and recovery and drop the frequency of ur workouts/cardio to 4 days per week (1.55), which would change your daily caloric intake to 3800 calories. Now, this doesnt have to change your original calories/macros 5000/ (400/200/160) because the surplus allows.for u to see your mass gains quicker, with or without AAS. And if u choose the AAS route, i would advise on low dose based off your history, and include acillaries to combat estro/shbg fluctuations.
Who's the guy in your profile pic? Is that you? If so might want to blank out your face.
If it is you I'm sorry I don't believe your quoted stats. The guy in that pic is not my height and weight.
updated pic posted as profile pic, i can take pictures at the gym today if you really want that type of proof on a scale and such. I do power lifting not body building (also my fat content makes up for roughly 35-45 lbs of my overall weight if you add in the percentage range i posted)
The most important thing is you've got rid of your face. Important to protect your identity ;)
You don't have to do anything at all. I'm just making an observation. The guy in your original pic isn't 6-1 and 265.
What did original pic reveal? Smaller?
No it was a picture from me at a party and about 5 months old with me wearing a unicorn fitted hat.
yeah i just grabbed the only pic i had on my PC and didnt think about the face thing, that is me though in both pics lol.
I thought that too....... if thats 265 im a chinaman lol
Damn bro! PM me where u got that blend from! I want that! Looks perfect for what I like. I love test cyp & test DECA mixed
im trying to figure out how to PM u lol
Click on his profile and send him a friend request.
When he approves your friend request you'll be able to send him PM's.
thanks, i sent him a friend request
Anytime, welcome to Eroids.