Curious about extending my Test Cycle a bit longer.
Sorry for those that have been talking to me and helping me as i went dark for a bit due to many life complications and being super busy to those that may come across this.
Anyway, I am currently running Test-E Week 1-3 and from that i switched to a test blend of 300mg + 100mg of deca which i am still on since week 4-9 (currently just beginning week 9 today). I have done Dbol 30-40 mg a day first 4 weeks then off for 4 now back on again for 4 as well, but wanted to introduce some tren-ace only at 50mg EOD to see how my body reacts, but it will be a waste to do only for 3 weeks. I was wondering if it would be acceptable generally/safe generally to extend my test cycle (not extend my dbol cycle along with it) with Sustanon + Tren to the 16th week being Week 9-16. I know this sounds like dumb experimentation, but i just have been dying to try Tren since i have had it sitting around and figured before it would be dumb to start end of cycle with. Also is it going to make me require an adjustment of my PCT with Nolva/Clomid timing/dosage as well with the testosterone extension? (I am 29 and have pretty low natural testosterone levels that hover between 300-375 generally when i get blood work done, not sure if my naturally low test production may add some dangers in shutting down my test production with longer cycle without the usage of HCG this cycle.)
Edit: Cycle Info
Test-E 250mg every 3rd day Week1-3
Dianabol 30-40mg oral a day week 1-4 | 9-12
Aromasin 5mg per day oral
Test Cyp/Phenyl/Prop/Deca 125mg of each every 3rd day week 4-9(and most likely up to week 12)
Possibilities for weeks 9-16:
Dbol 40mg p/day weeks 9-12
Test Cyp/Phenyl/Prop/Deca 75mg of each every 3rd day week 9-10
Sustanon 100-150mg EOD week 11-16
Trenbolone Acetate 50mg EOD with upping to 75-100mg possibly until end of week 16
Aromasin will stay the same.
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Keep it simple stupid(my grandfather use to tell me that as a kid)...apply that to cycles. No need to overwhelm yourself with all of these choices. It takes away from you concentrating on the crucial pieces of the puzzle, the lifting and eating.
If you are'nt stepping on stage or competing this that and the other is a waste of time. Longevity is the answer here brother! Enjoying the journey is the answer here brother! Don't inflict a toxic assault on your body. You will do awesome with a simple test cycle, maybe another compound in there...maybe not.
The mind will crumble and you will most likey burn out focusing and questioning these different flamboyant cycles. Who the fuck wants to be flamboyant either?? Not me haha. Get what Im saying brother.
Let loose with unrivaled intensity each and everytime you lift! Feed your body the right foods to repair your body after you murder and tear it the fk down. Do that and the gear you do take will do it's job correctly! But again ease up, take a step back, use some test and dont question it. Question the workout, did I put the weights down too soon or could I have done more! Edit:just read Irish's response and noticed the similiarities of what I just wrote. That says alot...reckless is only ideal in video games...best of luck brother! Knuckles
X2............ very well said.
So basically you have a mindset that after 4 weeks you have not seen any gains so adding more aas is the answer? How about slow the fuck down and look at your diet and training. You are gonna be severely disappointed after running all this shit for how many weeks you plan. Then what? Not enough aas was the reason so now do 2 grams a week? Do you see the pattern here? This is not a fkn race slow your roll because if you don't listen and come back for help we will have a field day on your ass. Drop the terrible mindset you have, drop your dose to 2 times a week of the test, drop the deca blends or whatever that other shit is and focus more on DIET and TRAINING. You are spending more time worried about drugs then worrying about your health. Listen to us or not life goes on.
Diet, training, and gains have all been good besides some losses for the flu over a week which is probably just water weight, but this is mainly for me finding what works and what doesn't kind of testing my own body's chemistry since it seems a ton of people say you have to find out what works with your body and dosages are unique to the person. It's really just finding out what will be best for me , but yeah I realized it's really dumb to do such a cluster fuck of stages of compounds.
If you are saying diet and gains are good, leave it alone and keep gaining. Don't try and change it midstream because it is not going to make you get any bigger any quicker. It is going to be worse.
Thats why i came here first before blending it in with my test, just wanted a voice of reason besides clusters of old posts on various sites. Should i really not consider doing Tren until my 4th-5th cycle at the very earliest though? Even small dosage of Tren-A @ 50 EOD if i was to start it on cycle #2 or 3? ?
Come on man, seriously. I'm trying to be nice and it's getting tough. Pay attention to the help we are trying to give you. Some of us have made mistakes and we have experience on it. Wait another 7 or more cycles if you even need it. Stop listening to people who think its a miracle drug because it isn't, its a contest prep drug that is being abused right now. You don't need it. Stay on the path we gave you and watch the gains happen, or be a curious cat that loses.
I'm not trying to push the topic I'm really curious because besides the sticky post about tren there isn't any staple information on proper introduction or application in the way people randomly classify, this all honest queries. So honestly even if I was very experienced and past my 10th cycle I'm theory I still should only look towards it for ONLY finishing touches touches? I have even more confusion around it now since I'm getting so many forms of input besides most saying only use it if very experienced. That's all I'm looking for is a straightforward answer , I'm not going to use it, it can sit , if you understood my desire for its effects you might have a little better insight on why it seems so beneficial to my goals, I'm not a novice to bodybuilding at all, but yes a complete novice to use of AAS. Maybe reference some basic compounds that I should stick to my first two years for bulking and loss of some body fat? I have extra skin in areas from being extremely overweight most of my life until 6 years ago roughly and bulking is my option to eliminate the excess in areas without surgery, trens benefits would aid in reduction of specific touch ups with a clean diet during a hypothetical phase, but Winny and others can replace it in future cycles for toning I would imagine. Hope this makes you understand my perspective and objective a little more.
You are not alone, half the guys on this site were or still are in your shoes. It's hard to find information that is easily digestible because their really isn't. I used it once and I do not like the side effects I got and also I am not a pro so its useless in my arsenal to use a compound to try and lose vanity pounds. I learned from several people here that I can inject 100cc's a week of every aas ever made and it will not do anything if I'm not eating or training properly. If you notice one thing about eroids we try and guide, not tell you to to be Boston Lloyd or rich piana. It's about being smart and making sure you reach your 30th birthday without a heart attack. Do some research here, look up tonytulo, catalyst, vike, makwa, and I know I'm accidently leaving out others. These guys are pros at what they do and you won't see a single post of them talking about tren or halo or 3cc's. You will see real talk, real cycle advice based on goals not how much gear you have on hand. Even rustyhooker can school you on why tren is not as great as everyone thinks. I LOVE straight test and sust and Deca, my orals are tbol because Winny and anavar are show drugs. Grow with knowledge and food Brother, use aas as a supplement not a crutch.
Nice.
You've answered your own question. The rest is garbage and you're heading down a dangerous road here. Stop, do a solid PCT, and stay off aas for an extended period of time. That's my opinion and seems to be the overwhelming sentiment expressed to your cycle.
RustyhookerTrainwreck.....
Agreed...Guy just injects anything he can get his hands on and this is his FIRST cycle. Where do they get those ideas. Watch him coming back in few weeks looking for help bc his dick aint working and he is falling apart. It's just unbelievable how people are careless with their health
Worst cycle I've ever seen. You won't be able to tell how your body reacts to any of these if you continue to drop compounds in and out for short periods of time. This is not how it's done. Stop this nonsense before you hurt yourself. This cycle will shut you down hard so your low levels will be even lower and you're only 29. Stop, pct and learn how to cycle aas properly. Everything about your cycle is wrong
Fella the cycle is already messy. Now you want to chuck tren into the mix too? Learn to walk before you try and run.
Whats your cycle history?
But even without knowing it, I'd not run a 16weeks Test Cycle with introducing Dbol twice AND Tren ace at the end (which is totally waste of money for 3 weeks anyway I think.
This is the end of my first bulking cycle, i kind of just wanted to extend it to try the Tren to see how my body took to it since its going to be secondary base and kickstart to my next cycle for leaning (and im impatient lol). I researched the combination a lot and it seems there are many big arguments against and for the combinations, but the science behind it shows it would be slightly counter productive in the synergy of it combined ...at least it would appear. I would like to know if i get major sides from tren before i build my next cycle around it, but i can wait to find out if it would really offset my PCT planning and current cycle.
No, just No.
Without being offensive, but please read through what you just said yourself and I hope you realize all the things wrong with your approach.
First off, you say that you're simply to impatient. Well, I guess this is one of the most common and major issues many people have. There's a reason why people recommend taking your time to get your exp. with the different compounds and take your time to learn about proper training and nutrition, based on what you need.
There's no way someone with 1 or 2 or even up to 5 cycles has enough exp. to run tren. You see so many people jump on it, without even realizing what tren actually is. Ie. to fully use a compound to it's full potential and with the least risk, you need to trully understand it. Same goes for proper training and dieting. No way with a couple of months or hell, I even know lot's of folks you don't even have proper knowledge about those things after several years.
But enough about the impatience....
ask yourself, do you reaaaally think that Tren will do any good now? Even if you're exp. sides, that will do nothing for your knowledge about running tren in the future, because I don't think you'll run it with the setup you have now. If so, it'd only proof that you have no idea and that you're not ready for tren.
Further, I'd suggest you read this thread, because if you're not stepping on stage, don't waste the tren for cutting.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/wasting-your-cycle-on-...
Additionally, Tren as a kickstart?! Wtf....the more I go in too writing this reply, the more I realize that you still need to learn a lot.
Do yourself a favor, and read through all the stuff you can find on this board. This is only meant as a kind recommendation. Do it for yourself and your health. You can never know enough about our sport and especially when you decide to go the route of taking aas.
No offense taken, I do know I am very ignorant to this all regardless of how much I read up on it so no problem with corrective criticism here haha. My one buddy who put me on this originally told me not to do tren for a while since the sides can be very severe especially early on until I realize how I'm going to react to basic stuff. I'm gonna just hold on to it then since the many replies against it kind of reassures what I collectively gathered on doing such. The thought process behind this wasn't because I didn't see gains or anything , it's just I kind of wanted to see if it would be worth building my next cycle around just incase it reacted volatile when in me and would debunk my preps. I appreciate the input, so do you really think I should push off tren for 1-2 years more ? Considering two 12 week cycles a year of course with test and others thrown in depending on the design per cycle with their own time frame included of course.
Absolutely. You can never know enough in my opinion. The more you know, especially when it comes to taking stuff like that, the better it is. As mentioned, to really take advantage and make use of aas, you need to fully understand it. Maybe the knowledge we have currently, might be proven otherwise in near future but still we can do everything to be as well informed as possible with all the information to date.
Exactly! Why rush into things? It always sounds so cheesy, but we're in the sport for the long run. There's absolutely no need in rushing into stuff. When you don't care about your health okay, but the more you rush into things, the more likely you'll not only risking your health, but wasting money and time as well.
Exactly. Too many compounds here to know what the fuck is/isn't working. And I'm still not clear on the OP's cycle history. I would find it hard to believe he's run more than 1 or 2 cycles at most. Patience is the key and if the OP doesn't get this he has no business running aas cycles. This is also the second time I've recently come across this idea of Tren ace as a Kickstarter to a non Tren based cycle. Scratched my head the first time I heard it but I chalked it up to a once off. Now I'm SMFH!!!!
Haha its all good , yeah I'm new to this I'm just completing my first cycle with great gains off of small dbol and test/deca blend basically. I was just really curious to see if my body would react poorly to tren or not before considering it as my primary driver along with test support next time. So being that tren should be the primary in a tren cycle, should I up my test to normal dosages after I drop tren? I plan to scale the esters appropriately if all works out as planned with my stock. I seen many mixed things on this, some say normal amount of test and some say cut it in half roughly when stacking with tren because of the influence it has on the production and effects on on glands. If I was really itching to start tren my next cycle what would be a good simple compound scaling you would recommend ? I have tons of dbol, anadrol, deca , and test to do a repeat cycle if you guys really believe tren for my 2nd cycle is complete stupidity so I'll have an open mind. I stocked up on almost any counter estro/prolactin agents and ancilaries for safety incase I overstepped my idiocracy.