-1 Help With Oral Cycle
I have previously taken Anabol on 2 occasions a few years ago and saw great results although most of it was water retention and I lost all my gains after I finished taking it for 4 weeks. I will admit I done everything completely wrong as I didn't work out as much as I should have and I didn't take anything for PCT. It was purely 4-5 weeks on Anabol and straight off.
I am now working out every day, eating more healthy and more focused on gaining muscle mass. I am currently on an all in one protein shake which includes Creatine and I have already seen a noticeable increase in size over the passed 4 weeks. Not massive but still noticeable.
I now want to start a cycle on oral steroids as I don't like needles 
I would rather do it without but I need to be much bigger for something I am attending at beginning of June so I was thinking
March: Roids
April: PCT
May: Roids
June: PCT
July on wards: Back on natural protein shakes
Would taking 30-50mg Anabol and 25mg Proviron each day be any use? Anabol for the mass and Proviron to reduce water, plus increase my sex drive 
What would I take for April for PCT? I have read mixed reviews about Nolvadex so really need some help.
Thank in advance.
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In all honesty man work on your nutrition and training for awhile. Track everything you take in make it a habit stick to your routine and diet and you can do what you want without the gear. Once you got a good handle on that and progress just isn't happening anymore then start thinking about gear. Don't jump strait in with something like anadrol. Get some testosterone get your feet wet. The gear is not a magical substance that's just going to do exactly what you want without taking the proper steps
How many calories are you taking in daily? Are you tracking macros? Are you sleeping right? Are you training right?
How much do weight? What's your height? What's your bf at? I'm damn positive you give me that info and I can give you a diet plan to ga in 15 pounds easy without using anadrol or test or even simple supps like creatine!
you've been here since 2011 and know fuck all about anything including proper cycleing, or pct. Your talking about running a two oral stack? Have you read anything on this site? You mention nothing about food at all. Just a protein shake. Yes steroids speed up protein synthesis and help you heal fast but, if you don't have the diet to help you heal your fucked. 65%diet 30% training and 5%gear. You also need to fill out your stats it isn't a choice here it's mandatory. You have zero research done and I can tell by what your proposing here. I suggest you check your ego or I show you the door. As shity as some of these people sound to you they are looking out for your physical and mental health regarding this cycle choice. Scratch this whole plan. An if you'd like to know exactly what we are trying to save you from ask and you shall receive, you will experience a vast amount of issues from these oral only cycles. I will be awaiting your response.
This is the only positive piece in your inquiry about oral only cycles.This is the sole area you need to focus on. Don't waste your energy on anything other than lifting and eating. Sure, use creatine, use bcaa's(branched chain amino acids) those will without a doubt, combined with solid whole foods by the platefulls and psychotic intense lifting, give you all the growth you want!
You must become disciplined in those areas to where they are a part of you! Establish a routine. Prove to YOURSELF you are in fact serious about the process of building muscle. Embrace the pain! Thats what this game is about! Lifting till you feel PAIN! Then having hunger PAINS from the energy burned lifting...then eating quality foods till you feel PAIN!
Don't fk up and feel PAIN for the wrong reasons running oral AAS with no discipline or know how..(shouldnt have any know how anyhow till you've created a base to build upon) Liver failure, jaundice, impotent, blood clots, high bp etc. That is the PAIN you are on the road to experiencing. Now wouldn't you want to know the pain mentioned before?? Hard muthafuckin work brother...that's it! You will be glad you chose the correct path...knuckles
you know brother bolt you are an excellent motivational speaker ;-)
I can definitely say likewise Sis! Seeing the change in someones persona the moment they realize they have the ability inside them and the belief, is rewarding when you've helped them uncover that!
Read down and it looks like Makwa already hit ya from this angle...best of luck...only if you take the advice and warnings...if not...you brought it on yourself brother
just curious what is your diet look like? these guys might lack a bit in the delivery but their message is pretty straight on oral only cycles will only impede any real progress you might make if you would take the time to get over being afraid of pinning....
when i first started cycling using injectibles i wasn't crazy about it but i practiced on an orange ... it gets kinda messy but it gets you familiar with what pinning is going to feel like .... now i only use orals to compliment my injectible cycle...
if you run that cycle up there ^^^^ you find that by June and your event you will not feel so hot and you won't be looking so hot either, this isn't bro science, this is fact .. however, it is your body you'll do what you want ... best of luck to you
WOW what a lovely friendly bunch you lot are. I come on here for some advice and get all those shit comments. Its very clear that most of your guys are having roid rage.
For the ones calling me lazy then you may want to try reading my post again as im sure it does say somewhere that I work out every day. All I wanted was to be bigger for the month of June so was trying to get some advice from people who I thought would know how to give advice from experience, NOT to start throwing a load of shit at me.
Correct me if I am wrong but I thought that was one of the main reasons for forums.
Thanks to the few who actually gave a positive response but fuck the others. I think its time to leave this forum as I can be doing with people with roid rage lol
And for the record, No I don't have roid rage as ive not taken any for at least 2 years.
You sir remind me Alot of myself when I first got on here. This attitude you have will get you no where. You are obviously not mature enough to take advice good advice at that and process it let alone make the decision to run anabol, by itself at that which is probably the dumbest thing I have ever read on here to date.... you want to fuck yourself up go ahead dude. Anabol is not a joke by no means! Stick to the basics pre workout and creatine. Better yet test boosters lol
Edit: you don't even know how to run a standard pct either? Good lord man!
RustyhookerThen you have heard the different ideas. Trial and error, right?
Lazy in the kitchen and that's where the most work is done! If that's the most you got out of working with weights in the past two years then you have been flying blind and now you want to take steroids blindly.
Bodybuilding.com try that and read up on the nutrition forums. When you have all that squared away and you laid a foundation THEN come back and we'll see what we can do for you.
RustyhookerGreat strides bro. Just deaf ears.
I'll give you advice from personal experience then. I ran a dbol and winstrol cycle, both oral. Ran it for 3 weeks and gained 20lbs. Maybe a week and a half later I was back down to my starting weight. The only thing I gained from the cycle was a strength increase. It's been proven over and over it just doesn't work man.
Good luck then.
"Roid rage" and "throwing shit at you", are you serious?
Wipe away the red mist for a second. Look at your picture fella? Do you really think you look like you've been training hard? Honestly?
As another member quoted:
That's your solution. Easy path. Except it doesn't work that way. If you could be a little more grown up in your attitude, you'd be able to see that we're actually showing you where you're going wrong, maybe a bit more directly than you expected, but we're men right?
Best crack on with your roids, pct, lose it all methodology.
All I can say is you are on the right path doing what you are doing. Running a course of oral steroids is going to impede your progress. You will gain weight due to glycogen retention while on but will lose it all when you come off since it is not actual muscle that you put on. You will now be in worse position then when you started since now your natty production is shut down and you have to try and recover from over the course of the next couple of months going through the PCT blues. All for what....to gain a few pounds of water weight that will be shed once you stop.
SeriousOpenfkne...I like how he lays it out
March: roids
April: pct
May: roids
June:pct
I'd do roids, roids, roids,roids, etc
I have junkie mentality tho and apparently a troll.
Can I be a wise troll atleast. I'm purty smart, and pretty.
StevebProposing an oral only cycle is usually a good way to lose all of your karma. Why do you not want to inject?
Ok brother what you have proposed is pure junk! Oral only cycle is crap and you will not keep hardly any gain when you come off. I looked at your pics and honestly start by what ever your eating a day and up it by half at least you can put on more mass with food and hard work and keep your Gaines .. Then once your add a solid 25 pounds to your frame I will be more than happy to help you
You don't need steroids. You need FOOD!
An oral cycle won't do jack for you but bloat you up, shrivel your nuts, and make it so your penis won't function because you have no testosterone. Oral only cycles are a joke! What is your goal? What's up in June? How many lbs are you trying to pack on?
If oral steroids are a joke then what are the real purpose of them? :/ Surely they are suppose to do something. I thought they promoted protein synthesis and made your muscles grow and made you stronger while giving water retention. What am I missing?
I am not wanting to go massive, maybe put on an extra 14lbs
I am not going to stop working out, eat crap food and reply purely on Anabol. I kind of want something that's going increase my strength so I can continue to lift, but lift heavier weights.
Progressive overload with the weights is what makes you stronger bro.
Steroids are the icing on the cake................ you have to build the cake first though!!
If that's you un the pic on your avi then you shouldn't be using anything besides food and creatine
Looks like you never stepped foot in a gym and you wanna gear up? Fucking lazy and impatient! Stop your nonsense and get real here. It's obvious you haven't got a clue.
I was just typing a PG version of the same speech.
"Build at least something resembling a base first".
"Why, I'll just take a load of pills".
Yep, that's EXACTLY how it works....
I bet he still runs the orals but I really hope Wallyboy gets the message here or this guy will be running around still skinny and impetant.
I think you're probably right. To be honest I'm largely past caring in most cases, if they want to ignore the advice it doesn't effect me. Guys like this using steroids piss me off with their laziness.
Boooooooooom............... best comment in this thread thus far!
GP keeping it real instead of babysitting.
I'll help anyone who is motivated, has a good idea on what needs to be done and has some intellect.
This man is 27 years old, I think scrotum pampering is far too much at this point.
So Let's step a few steps back OP and toss the aas plan out the window and start from square one; DIET and TRAINING. Let's hear what you been doing for the past year or so to obtain that physique you got there.
thats a Playstation physique bro.............. i bet his thumbs are fuckin massive ;/
Lol Playstation and Hot Pockets
What you're missing is that those gains you achieved will wither away, and wither away quickly because you're not running a proper cycle with testosterone as a base. Why take 5 steps forward to take 4 back when it's all said and done and what you are left with could have been achieved without gear? Money down the drain brother. Learn to eat right to grow and revisit the idea of a cycle when you can face the needle. Use the magnifying glass (search function on this site) to brush up on stuff like "first test cycle" and "proper pct."
The use of oral steroids in bodybuilding, not medicine, is done with a base of testosterone for valid reasons.
BlackOPS317Please do some more research. Oral only cycles are a no no. Dbol will shut your natural test production down and you will feel like shit and lose all your gains again. Waste of money and you will do more harm than good. You need to overcome your fear of pinz and do a test only cycle for your first real one. You can search on here for proper PCT, but I will not give advice just yet. Why fear needles?? Do it once and your good to go. You need to do it right and not mess around.
I actually felt more happy when I last used it than I ever have. I did look much bigger and people were complimenting on how much weight I gained as they thought I done it naturally. I don't understand what oral anabolics are for if you loose all the bulk after you stop taking them. I thought they promoted protein synthesis and made your muscles grow and made you stronger while giving water retention. Surely there must be something I am missing.
If you don't understand what oral steroids do then why the hell are you ingesting them?
The part your missing is heavy compound lifts and a cart overflowing with groceries.
BlackOPS317Need full stats please. Age, weight, bf% etc....
28 Years old, 5'10", 79.5kg. Not sure of body fat. I done 3 separate calculations on-line and they came back at 11%, 13% and 24% so I know know.