posted Sun, 10/25/2020 - 05:53
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Currently running ~300mg Test Cyp/week for a 10-12 week cycle leading up to my meet
I know typical hCG protocols call for 250-500iu's 2x/week starting at week 5/week 6, then 250-500iu's EOD during the last 2 weeks leading up to PCT.
Since I'm not blasting a large amount of test, would 250iu's 2x/week be a safe bet? And should this protocol start when testicular atrophy is noticed or strictly around week 5/6?
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PcushionHere you go buddy detailed information straight from the endocrinology society. Your welcome
https://www.healio.com/news/endocrinology/20190323/lowdose-hcg-can-preve...
AnonOh this is your first cycle? I'd just leave it out, it will alter your estrogen. You need to get blood work done to see how your body reacts, this will set the course for your next cycle.
There's a lot of posts on here about first cycles, they're written to keep you safe and not acting on impulse. My first cycle was exactly as it's posted on those protocols and was fucking amazing. Gains for days!!
300 test might as well be 500. You're shut down either way. But if you're not comfortable with 500 it's not a huge deal, you'll gain more on 500 however.
I'm all ears since I don't have experience here but I've read a lot of first cycle logs using hCG. I also read how it helps facilitate a quicker PCT recovery, which in theory makes sense to me based on the physiology but in practice I know a lot of guys here have actual experience so like I said I'm open to feedback.
Either way I'll look more into it on this forum but lets say testicular atrophy full on kicks in, could it be recommended at that point regardless if its my first cycle?
AnonWe'll it's best to stick with one compound your first cycle. In theory yes, it will help, but you're probably over thinking testicular atrophy. They won't go away, you may or may not even notice a difference
AnonThere's a million dosing protocols, I simply wouldn't bother with it on your tiny cycle.
But yes 250 2x a week starting week 4 or whatever is fine. Don't run into your pct though..
AnonAgree with T-bone.
In the past I have ran 500mg of test a week for 12 weeks with no HCG and then done a standard PCT and was fine. I have also started HCG on cycle at as low as 250iu 2x a week at the first sign of decrease in seminal fluid and testicular size and it was effective.
If you weren't cruising or on TRT before this cycle and you're gonna PCT after this small test only cycle then HCG isn't a must.
Not mentioned is an AI. You should have an AI on hand. Some guys get high estro from common TRT dosage of 100mg of Test C a week and are prescribed an AI. No need to find out the hard way if you need an AI or not.
Appreciate that feedback.
I do have Arimidex on deck just in case. I was at 190 12-13%bf tops before this so I'm not expecting I'll need to use it but nonetheless I am prepared.
Always room for more test in the future, but given the fact that this is my first cycle I figured I'd shoot for the minimal effective dose to put me just above that supraphysiological threshold to help facilitate faster recovery and added strength for my meet.
I do have the hCG already so I guess I might as well use it at a lower dose like you recommended.
Again thanks for the feedback!
AnonGood plan for a first cycle. +1
You're welcome
Just coming back to this post for some quick advice if you don't mind.
Like I said I have Arimidex on deck. At 300mg/wk, should I tap into 0.5mg 2-3x/wk around week 4-5?
No signs of gyno currently but just wasn't sure if it is or isn't necessary at this dose.
AnonI agree with Tbone's reply. +1 Tbone
I'm one of those guys that has to take an AI on every cycle. 0.5mg of Adex eod (every other day) works for me. And I start taking my AI at the start of week 3. 1mg of Adex eod will start to cause me to have some crashed E symptoms such as cracking joints. But I can stay at .5mg of Adex eod on 500mg/wk of Test or 500mg of Test C and 300mg of Deca a week cycle.
.5mg Adex eod keeps my E levels under control even when I run HCG on cycle too. HCG can raise E btw
.5mg of Adex eod is a good all around AI dosage for me on pretty much any cycle I run.
That's just me.
Since you bring up gyno I want to tell you what I think about that. I think it's a good idea to keep some Nolvadex on hand at all times. I do. Because if I did get gyno symptoms I would start taking the Nolva asap along with bumping my AI dosage up a little. Nolva has been medically prescribed to treat and cure gyno, there are studies online demonstrating it's effectiveness, including double blind placebo controlled human studies. There's also some guys around here who will tell you they've cured gyno with Nolva before. If you're really worried about gyno then keep some extra Nolva on hand.
AnonOnly blood work will tell you that, some people can run time of year and have no problems. High e2 doesn't mean gyno every time for everyone. I'm on around 1g test right now and take 1mg 2x a week. There's so many ways to do it. You just need blood work.
But .25/.5 mg E2 or 3 days is a common dosing cycle. But 300 mg test? Meh I'd skip it until you get blood work. You need estrogen for strength/gains and overall health, don't tank it keep it super low unless you've figured out that's what you need.
Sounds good man.
When your balls start looking like old raisins
AnonStart? These nuts have been wrinkled and small since day one! Makes your D look bigger..
I should probably hit that hcg now that I think about it... My gf went for a handful last night mid bj and I remember thinking hmmm, that hand is awfully flat...
Don't want them to big though! Suckers hurt getting slammed around..
Lol my guy, I appreciate it!
Any advice on dosing? (250ius vs 500iu's 2x/week)
As your on 300 pw mate ide see what your bloods say first. Might not be needed on this dose. By the way nice to see a low dose first cycle, good way to experience the test effects. Then plan accordingly for the next cycle. Good luck mate
AnonStart at 250iu 2x a week and adjust as needed. If 250iu 2x a week doesn't work then try 250iu eod.
250iu eod is pretty much the same as 500iu 2x a week.
I like that idea, thanks brotha