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Hcg dosages

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Ok this aughta stir things up a bit. I'm running a heavy cycle soon. 750 test e wk 1-15, 600 eg wk 1-14 500 dec wk 1-14, dbol 50ml ed wk 1-4. Arim .5 eod wk 2-15 and hcg inj weekly and 1 week after cycle end. Clomid & nolva 2 wks after cycle end. So my question being and looking for input. How much hcg weekly and how much spike at end. Usually I only run 250 iu a wk thru cycle and 2500 and end of short cycle or 5000 iu if my test has been shut down for a long time. I'm kinda in a toss. Guys like rich p say it's pointless to run hcg while on cycle cause it just confuses your body. Where I've also read guys running as much as 1000ius a week while on. By body has never needed that much and with what I run I usually don't experience a crash. But I've never run the eq and dec together. Any input would help. Thanks guys. Stats. 30yo training 8 yr aas 5yr. 5'7" 190lb 8% bf

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I do drop my adex to quater tab eod after few few two weeks if all is good and I usually run liver support pills and milk thistle as well when taking dbol or whinny. Thanks again man.

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Thanks med I appreciate the help. I usually run test a week or two after I stop deca so I def had that in mind. I'll look into toremifene instead. I have never used caber tho what dosage would you recommend? And the blood work mid cycle is something I've never done but makes sense when runnin this long. Thanks again man I appreciate the help.

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start cabergoline out at .125mg e3d, then increase to .25mg e3d by the third week. Your dosage will probably be .25mg every three days to a week. It is possible you may need to increase to .5mg every three days to a week, depending on prolactin sides. You will want to run this about three weeks into PCT, too.

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Awesome man thank you

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Also, if you run the DBOL, make sure you have some liver support. And, you may want to start out the Adex .25mg every other day to every three days on the same week you have documented.

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Let's do this. You wanted to know about hCG. It helps make your PCT recovery easier and actually improves testicle size. You are right, there are different theories regarding its effectiveness. I don't think it would be optional, since you are using a 19-nor. Therefore, a recommended dose would be at a minimum what Goliath suggested below. So, 250iu x2 injections per week, the last six to eight weeks is correct. In addition, I have seen 1000iu per week used on cycle for ten weeks and stopped two weeks before PCT, with TE, EQ, DECA, TP, and methasteron cycle. Furthermore, high doses of hCG will convert into estrogen.

I believe you need to look into Toremifene, instead of Nolva for PCT. Get some cabergoline or Pramipexole, too, for prolactin. And, change your TE and EQ to 15 or 16 weeks, and run your DECA 13 weeks, or maybe 14 weeks.

As far as frontloading goes. You need to frontload EQ for sure at 1200mg the first week or two. The TE could be frontloaded too at 1500mg, maybe. I believe you may want to donate some blood on this cycle, too. Maybe some others can make suggestions.

Get pre-cycle labs, mid-cycle labs, post-cycle labs six weeks after PCT.

Also, have you ever considered running exemestane during PCT?

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I see your stats and you seem knowledgeable about AAS. However, I can tell by what you have written that you need to modify your cycle and PCT. Can you please elaborate on your cycle history? Thank you, sir.

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Thanks for the input med. my starting cycles were various forms of test and orals. Either test e or c. Tried prop once but hated pinning so much and orals dbol or anadrol. Started about 5 years ago with 8 wk cycles and worked up to 12 wk. then I used to cycle only twice a year. In the past 3 years I've been pretty steady with deca in the winter for bulking. Usually running 12 wks on 6 off in the winter then taking 8-12 weeks off before cutting. Usually test e at 750wk deca 500 wk and dbol for first few weeks usually 60mg ed tapering to 40. Only have tried eq for two cycles. Both with test. 500wk and the second time 600 wk. While I don't gain near the size I do with deca I do love the fact that it makes me hungry as hell so I thought I'd stack it with deca. As far as on cycle arimidex has been good for me as I've never gotten gyno and my pct has worked for me thru my past cycles. Hcg is one of those thing that a million different people have a million different answers. I've always kept on the low side while on cycle and my body seems to accept it and it def help jump my natty test without so much of a crash so I never really altered it. But I've never run this heavy before so I'm def open to suggestions and am thankful for any input. Also man my last 2 cycles running deca I front loaded test, would u suggest that for this cycle or do you think that's too much with the amount of gear I'll already be pinning? Thanks bro appreciate it

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Thanks Goliath that's really been the norm for what I've heard most guys doing. Then 5000 a week before pct. but I've heard guys say as much as 10000 which seems a bit much to me. I appreciate the advise man thank you