posted Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:45
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from sust to test E?...
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Prob a stupid question but if your 8 Weeks into a sust cycle and you switch to test E that won't make a difference right? Now that all the Esters are kicked in anyway.
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It will not make a difference unless you are feeding off that small prop bump you get with each shot. Test LEVELS are what's important at the end of the day however and as long as you have a legit sus am legit test E than u should have stable levels and continue gains.
Great point about "interest," that's a fantastic way to relate it.
IMO if you switch over to Test E at 250mg/ml your Test levels will increase and be more consistent, avoiding the fluctuation your getting now from those 4 different length esters. And if you notice a difference from the lack of the 30mg of short ester you are more in tune to your body than me. I never understood why people think half life goes the other way?
I was thinking that but I don't know enough about it yet. You would think once your on the sust long enough and your feeling full effect of all the Esters switching wouldn't matter. Because isn't prop used as a kick start on a test e cycle? Then after week 5ish you drop the prop cuz your now feeling full effect of the enth right?
Think of it like interest. Test E gives you more interest for a longer period. To keep it simple I'll use round #s and a once a week scenario. Lets say a 250mg shot of test E raises your test level to 1000 and has a half life of 7 days. That means next week when you take your next 250mg shot you will still have a test level of 500 from last weeks shot, plus this week's 1000 now your at 1500. Next week you still have 250 left from the first shot, 500 from the second shot and another 1000 from this weeks shot = 1750. This tops out at around 5-6 weeks with a 7 day half life because after that the initial shots left over half life amount is negligible, which is why some people say it takes 4-5 weeks for a long ester to kick in. Its not that it takes that long to kick in, it's just that it takes that long to reach max levels. IMO
Now lets talk about front loading..... LOL ;-P
Haha well thank you sir. That was incredibly well said and informative.
Thanks guys and it really wag just a question out of curiosity. this isn't something I was gonna do. I more just wondered about the prop and if your body still feels that once the long Esters have kicked in. just trying to gain more and more knowledge on all the different tests. I've heard someguys on here say test is test either way.
Given your question you need to research each ingredient to know the story. Test is not just test.....sorta. Prop has more test by weight than test e because the enanthate weighs more. Then prop is dead fast so next ester kicks in etc. and fluctuations in test release affects everything on side effects. Study each substance by itself. Too long to write...
It depends on the sust and how you do it. Sust that is dosed higher usually has cyp, enarthe, deco or a combination of those. Start using both now at the same time and plan it so you run out of sust in 14 days (release time of test e). You will have a spike for a few days but you will not drop down and lose any gains. That is how I have done it in the past.
zewiClassic example of not planning out your whole Cycle. You cant just switch and expect your body to act the same. Sust has short and long Easters. So you will be losing that short ester boost.
However, I'm sure you were only taking Sust 2 times a week anyway, instead of 3 times a week to benefit from the short esters. Yeah there will be a little Fluctuation issues in blood levels, Like others have asked what AI are you running?
However, if you're not done with Sust yet and your about to be done let's say in a week, I would be getting more instead of trying to adjust...
AnonX2 I'd suggest trying to get more sust instead of trying to switch.
Especially with the speed of domestic shipping!
AnonYou running an AI?
Might have a lil dip because no prop. How much sust are you running?
AnonThere will be a flux in hormones. The short esters will run out and then your new shots will take a while to kick in while the old long estered test is still kicking. You'll go from a mid range to low range to high range (range being relative to how much your running).
You'll probably have some acne problems, and probably put on quite a bit of water weight, but I don't think it'll totally screw up your cycle as long as you're willing to blast through a period of much lower test than you're used to in that past 8 weeks.
Might get some high estrogen sides as well while your test is lowered.
Bam! Fluctuation issues