Fist cycle
I am a 37yo male. Currently 180 at 5'9. I believe that I am about 10-12% body fat, but am unsure, as I have cut a little over 60 pounds and have some additional skin around my belly that makes me not trust my caliper.
I cut 60 lbs over 4 months with a combination of diet (about an 800 calorie deficit) and big time excersize. I did cardio 6 days a week and lifted 3 of those. For the last 3 months I have been focused on gaining lean mass. I've been lifting heavy 6 days a week and my diet is up to 3200 calories a day (3200 clean calories!) and my post workout is equal parts hbcd (45g) and blended (whey, micellar casein, and egg white) protein (45g)
My carb intake throughout the day is heavy at breakfast, light at lunch and about 1.5 hours post workout. After my post workout meal there are no more starches.
I am looking for a dry bulk. I have worked my ass off to get lean, and don't want to swell up and hold a bunch of water weight.
I have decided that it if I don't include some aas into my refining I'm not likely to grow much more, just keep cutting. I purchased from a reliable source Test-E and Tren-E. I have decided that I will not run the Tren right now, but will just run 12 weeks of TestE (250mg/ml) every three days and continue lifting and eating the way I am right now. If after 12 weeks of Test-E I don't like the results or want more mass, I will stack the Tren for 8 or 12 weeks.
I haven't gotten any AI's or SERM's yet. So now after this unbearably long read are my questions.
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Am I on the right track of a simple cycle first then starting a stack if I'm not happy (or if I'm really happy!)?
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Do I need to start right in on the estrogen blockers with just 500-750 mg test a week (depending on how the week falls out.
Knowing that I want dry bulk, should I run the Tren, or would aomething like Deca be better?
Sorry for the long read, but it seems like you need a lot of info to answer questions like these.
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You need more work on your diet and training.
TronStink fist cycle.
Bro, I won't support your use of drugs where you are at with your physique. You need to put some muscle on first then after that you can consider hormones.
Drugs on the physique you have now will pull in a lot of water, not build much in the way of new mass. You will "blow up" on cycle and shrink down after it is over.
More gym time, more natural weight and strength. Better base. Drugs later on.
A fist cycle sounds pretty painful, jus sayin ;-P
Query Harris Benedict Equation and calulate your BMR with and without activity. Foods will get you where you need to be, prior to AAS use. Here's a link to Catalyst's diet clinic...
Bring the BMR info back here and we can sort out a daily macros and calorie intake for you.
Macros 300/225/120 (p/c/f)
I would increase your daily calories to 4000 and use the macros i posted above to refurbish your diet plan.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/diet-clinic-now-live
Looking at your picture your BF isn't 10-12% I'm afraid. I don't think you've built much of a muscle base to be considering using steroids.
Whats your past lifting exp? Like how long ? What makes you think you cant make gains without gear? When you cut that much weight you have primed the pump to make some good gains without aas? I bet you can add 10 - 15 pounds of muscle with a proper diet and training...at 37 get some blood work see where your test levels are if they are at good levels than train hard and eat right
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got a pic you can post up to see what we are working with?
x2 but no matter what leave the Tren alone.
Lots of great replies. The more I've read up the more I thought this was the right answer. I had originally decided my first cycle would be a test/Tren stack and changed my mind last minute.
As for Body Fat, I have no idea, I have punched and poked and measured and 10-12 was a best guess based on all the stuff I've read.
It may well be that a 4000 calorie diet is where I need to be, but I'm so scared of being a fat kid again!The consensus here seems to be skip the Test and trade it for another thousand calories a day.
A lot of the folks I know who use gear have told me that Test would be great based on what I've got going right now. Someone referenced not having a memo ugh muscle mass now to get started, I've had 2 back surgeries and my right foot is jacked after a bad day in Afghanistan. I don't know how much more mass I'm going to gain without help.
I do not think that gear is the magic bullet that will let me sit on the couch and get buff. I am more than willing to put in the work, I just need (or maybe want is more appropriate) a little help getting there.
Thanks all for the replies!
Bro, it's not about you thinking it's some kinda magic pill. I'm not gonna accuse you of that. The problem is, and you will find this out first hand if you "go for it" against our advice, is simply that hormones build muscle on muscle. Looking at your picture, you don't have a lot to start with yet. The cycle will initially seem to go well. You will get bigger and stronger. You will be very happy.
But, four months from now, you will be back where you started. Time to try it again. And again. And again. After 3-4 tries you will be frustrated to the max. Need to be bigger and stronger than you are right now to make it work WHEN YOU START THE VERY FIRST TIME That's all.
And then like a lot of other people, become a steroid junkie because it was certainly not using enough aas or not on long enough or not enough multiple different drugs.
If you titrate your macros correctly, lift, and incorporate some cardio, you could get your body fat down to 10%. Research how various protein carb ratios can help you get the results you are looking for. That macros i posted can make a huge difference, bro.
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I sure do, but I'm not sure how to post them.
Look under "submit" on the top menu bar and "submit picture"
Got it sorted out, but I'm not sure how to get it into this thread now...
It's visible in your profile
It is on my profile..
Yes sir...
It wants an "Ordered From" entry that doesn't apply...
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