posted Mon, 01/23/2012 - 06:30
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Ok, guys....I'm starting my first stack and would love some feedback. A little history on me...31 years old, 210 lbs and 10% bf. I'm going to running a very clean muscle building cycle, as maintaining visible abs at.all times is a priority. So far I've only done two test cyp cycles at 500 ml/wk. Love the stuff....but I'm itching for just a bit more muscle.
100 ml test p/eod
50 ml tne pw
50 ml tren a/eod beginning
I've done a lot of research on all this, and probably will start with 35 ml eod on the tren ace. Diet will be extremely clean....have arimidex on standby, nolva and hcg for pct. This will be a 12 week cycle, 8.with the trend ace.
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Anonbro, I hope you mean the summer in 3 years..the fact that you "did your research" and still concluded on running tren in your first cycle blows my mind.
first off, you're gonna need a caber or anti prolactin for possible progesterone from the teen..
drop the HCG from PCT it DOES NOT belong there
a 12 week cycle of Tren A? I wouldn't surpass 8 weeks.. but like I said, don't touch this for several years..
A-dex won't save you from a prolactin build up, thats completely different..
You look like you did a few hours of research, but thats about it..maybe read a few other site threads.. I think its time you go back to the drawing board on this one.. you're trying to take the most harsh chemical/steroid out there
I'm really here to learn as much as possible. I concluded initially to run tren at a very conservative dosage, but felt really uncomfortable with it. I'll take any and all advice so as to gain muscle without sacrificing my future. I was planning on running tren for 6 weeks not 12. Now about this a-dex....
Anonyou'll need something like caber just in case of any progesterone issues.. I generally just try to keep supps like this on hand..
as for the tren, I think you should wait till the future and get another 1-2 cycles under your belt.. just because you're progressing along with your cycles, does not mean each needs to be more intense.. if thats the case, you'll be running 3000-5000mg/weekly cycles by the time you're 40. This game of AAS is about the duration.. not short bursts.
thats great advice but really? 25mg of tren a day is leading 3000-5000mg/w! EVERYBODY is terrified of tren, clearly nobody has ran it at a dose of 25mg/d....If people tried it there wouldnt be all this fear!
AnonIts just the mental aspect bud.. people need to slow their roll
25mg of tren ED would be optimal, but from that point he'll use tren as a milestone in how he sets up his cycles and neglect simple Test cycles.. now the next run of tren will be 100mg ED/EOD and so forth.. adding on more compounds each time. I think people have some unspoken notion that each cycle needs to progress in potency per se, from the last. I stand behind guys like Ab firmly who have stood the duration and look good after multiple cycles.. He posted his previous cycles on here a few days ago; it was refreshing to see.
my statement about the 3000-5000 is obviously an exaggeration to an extent; but, thats the direction/path people are beginning to follow.
Your statement implies that I think tren to be a magic pill. I don't and I have no aspirations to.be the next Phil Heath. I appreciate your help, and have been.doing research on caber. Read some of your posts actually, but I would never abuse something like tren
AnonI treat every post of peoples progression in compounds as such.. because this is how it happens.. I really hope you are smarter than the average to know what you are messing with..
As for the caber, it'll make your dick feel like you're Ron Jeremy.. its a potential side effect ;)
Honestly had never heard of caber until you posted about it here. Definitely will be having it on hand for all future cycles. I want to thank everyone for their input, you vets are invaluable!
AnonI try my best brother.. but beware, some people will pass on advice and no fucking idea what they are talking about..
its his 3rd cycle
AnonI correct myself then lol.. just woke up from a nap -_-
my .02 still stands though, the research still is developmental so I would definitely not be touching tren.
Well as everybody said tren should be something down the road, but that is because of the sides, sides that are given when you abuse it. I know that cause I was abusing it, really abusing it and paid for it, but after I learned to respect it things are different. So ill let you in on a secret, tren is no different than any other AAS when used PROPERLY! The dose that you have recommended is perfect, you can enjoy a cycle of tren like that, wont even know what people are talking about when they speak of sides. Im sure some wont like that ive said this but it is the truth, if one of my closest friends proposed this cycle I would say go for it. Another concern is that if you use tren now you wont feel like your making gains with other gear later on, and thats true to some degree, ill never be able to compare any cycle I ever do to the 1200mg/w tren cycle I ran for 30 days, however 35mg/d (my sweet spot) is no different than running 400mg/w deca, or test, or mast, etc...As much as I would like to run with all my friends on this one my opinion is different.
Wow, 1200ml a week of tren? Thank you for the advice, I'll do a tren cycle in the summer, but right now I'll experiment with much milder esters.
Thanks guys, again. Decided to err on the side of caution. Will be stacking test e 600 mg/wk, equipose @ 400/wk, and tne .5 ml pw. Hoping that the tne can provide that ON feeling before the slower esters kick in. This will be a 12 week cycle.
Thanks for the input. I'll take the advice hold off on tren.
Im with both of these guys, hold off on the tren. As EBSN has suggested why not try mast or eq, both those compounds would compliment your goal quite nicely.
tread-mHad to start over, mis-read......I'm with E here in that Tren is a down the road thing. Your thinking is fairly conservative so I like that but for me Tren is a wait to. I'm not one to get any complexity in it though early and think you work the simple with hard core kitchen routine for your goals. Tren might wait though brother, you don't want yourself getting the addiction for one thing in terms of easier with harsh compounds and finding yourself wishing you had kept it simple. Its hard to go backwards I guess it what I'm trying to say.
Too early for tren, go with masteron or EQ instead, and then thank me later on...I personally don't like 12 week cycles with short esters, but thats just my preference.