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First Pinning* cycle plan full write up

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Ok guys here it goes. Sorry about the length but I wanted to be thorough. For full disclose this technically isn't my first cycle since I ran 1-AD back in the day when I was 18, young and dumb. Then I ran the tren extreme stack in 2008 for 8 weeks. I had no idea what I was doing as far as AAS back then and didn't run any PCT. (never had any sides that I noticed at least) Basically just walked into the sup shop and said I want to get huge. I did get huge tho - went from 192 up to a max weight of 223lbs. With that said I absolutely will be getting bloods before and after the planned cycle.
Stats are--
Age:28 (I'm 27 now, but will be 28 in 11 days and I'm still a couple weeks from placing he order (waiting to get paid again on the 15th)
Height: 5'8.5"
weight:180lbs
BF: less than 10%. I posted 2 pics I took THIS MORNING (in the green shorts) (the other pics in posing trunks were taken December 21st last year at a body weight of 172lbs, so you can see the gains I made naturally over the last year.)
Before I list my cycle a little info and background on me:
I was kind of a fat kid and had a poor self image as a kid, as a result I started weight training at 9 years old in secret in my bedroom. I would use my moms little dumbbells when she wasn't home lol. obviously I had no idea what I was doing. I became obsessed with getting a 6 pack, and nearly every day without fail for 3 years straight in middle school every night I did 500 crunches, 300 leg lifts and 100 side crunches on each side. lol little did I know that ABs ARE MADE IN THE KITCHEN!
In HS I got into power lifting and broke the teen state dead lift reccord in my state when I was 18. A reccord which still stands today 10 years later. I studied human physiology in college for 3 years and got my personal trainer cert after that. (I didn't graduate due to some extenuating circumstances and also didn't lift my junior-senior year and dropped down to 150lbs bodyweight-- opiates will get ya!)

But now I am 100% committed to the bodybuilding lifestyle and have been living it for the past 2 years. My nutrition is on point.
Meal 1 (following morning interval training): 1scoop bodyfortress whey concentrate + 10g coconut oil.
then walk dogs 40 mins brisk walk.
Meal 2: 4-5 whole eggs (sometimes I scramble them and throw in 1oz cheese), 1/2 tbsp butter, 1 medium banana, 4g fish oil.
Preworkout: 2 scoops Condense, 4 g citruline malate, 1g L-Carnitine, 5g creatine monohydrate
Intra workout: 2 scoops Modern BCAA
Post workout (meal 3): 1 scoop body fortress whey concentrate, 10g glutamine, 5g Leucine, 5g arginine, 10g coconut oil. Also a 6oz baked potato if its leg or back day.
Meals 4 and 5: 4-5oz chicken breast, 2-3 cups iceberg salad, 8oz mixed steamed veggies including broccoli, coliflower, asparagus, carrots, bell peppers, 1.5 oz Avocado, 4g fish oil.
Meal 6: 1 cup plain nonfat Greek Yogurt with about 1 cup mixed berries and sliced peaches.
Snack on 2-3oz mixed nuts throughout the day
I do plan to up my food intake while on cycle! I plan to add 1/2 cup mashed sweet potatoes to meals 4-5 and some cream of rice with meal 2 maybe. Keep in mind that I have a gluten allergy and absolutely have to abstain from all gluten containing foods, even grains such as oatmeal that are gluten free still cause systemic inflammation and horrible shin splints. Wheat is pretty much the devil and besides drugs and alcohol is absolutely the worst thing you can put in your body!! Celiac or not, but thats a debate I would be happy to take up in the nutrition section if anyone wants to. I can get away with rice tho, but thats it as far as grains go. Also like I said earlier I was overweight as a child, mostly due to eating grains as an undiagnosed gluten allergy tho. I am generally a mesomorph but lean slightly to the endo side if I don't stay on point.
Training is generally something like this:
Monday: Legs (squats)
Tuesday: Chest
Wednesday: Arms
Thursday: rest
Friday: Back (deadlift)
Saturday: Delts
Sunday: rest. Although thats my general split, I have been at this for 18 years and I am an instinctual trainer and I know my body and its limits, sometimes more or less rest is taken as needed.

OK I think that is all my back ground info, so now onto the good stuff: I've been reading on here for quite some time now and the plan I have come up with for my 1st pinning cycle is:
Weeks 1-12: 250mg Test e 2x week.
weeks 1-14: Aromasin, start at 6.25mg eod and adjust as needed. Will have Nolvadex on hand in case of estro/gyno flair ups
Weeks 15-18: Clomid 100/100/50/50 Nolva: 40/40/20/20
and considering going with torem after reading about possible liver toxicity of Nolvadex...? thoughts?

My main concerns are: is there any reason to order Arimidex? like in case I don't react well to Aro or something?? And also if I do a Sunday/ Wednesday pin schedule will my glutes or quads be all sore for my squat and deadlift days? I can play with mixing up my training split if need be. Not planning on running HCG on this first one.
I'm looking more at the long term although I will always maintain good condition, my long term goal is to be a national level competitor within the next 2-3 years. I am convinced I have the drive, determination and discipline to do it!! Posting pics now-- and looking forward to hearing what you all have to say! Rip me a new one! lol Also I was hoping some more experienced users could FR/PM me as I have a pretty good idea of what source/brand I'm going to go with (a top 10 on the site), but I would still like to discuss it a bit. Thanks guys!

Deadlifter85's picture

It seems like most people suggest starting Aromasin everyday right from the beginning. Do you think eod isn't enough, or is it a half life thing? I have a low bf and naturally don't hold very much water, so I figured, especially at a low dose of 250mg/injection that estrogen side most likely won't be a big issue for me. But advice and input is Much Appreciated!

vhman's picture

If you are running long(er) esters, there is no reason to start your AI for a few weeks or so. You say you will be taking a lower dose of test, but that doesn't mean you won't get estro sides. I am on a low test run and I am not prone to estro problems as well, but I still get some mild sides (some water, etc.). I take Aromasin at 6.25 mg EOD and that works great for me. Everyone is different, so keep a close eye on it and follow standard dosages, then adjust them to fit you're current run.

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Thats what I was initially thinking, that I would wait a couple weeks before starting the Aro. The only reason I was considering starting earlier is its own ability to raise free test levels. I was thinking this might get things going quicker. But I could also see how it could lead to too much estrogen suppression also.

vhman's picture

Raising your test levels with Aro is a side effect and will probably crash your estro more than raise your test, but that all depends on your dose, etc. My advice would to just be patient for a few weeks and just wait for the test to kick in and keep things simple. I suppose you could get some prop and front load if you really wanted to get your test up immediately. It's up to you. I've always found that keeping things simple and being patient has always produced great and safe results. Best of luck!

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Ya I think I will just wait. I don't want to over complicate things. Plus I figure I'll get a better idea as to my tolerance to the test itself if I wait. Of course the idea of doing a 750mg kicker or a test p crossed my mind, but I'm not trying to get into all that just yet. General consensus seems to be prop is tough on virgin muscles and that would be hard pinning so often right from the get go. I'll just be patient!

Deadlifter85's picture

Thanks for the advice. I'll plan to order both to be on the safe side.
I totally agree with you on the diet bit. I've always said bodybuilding is 80% diet and 40% training.

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Well I can't seem to figure out how to upload the pics I want to. It seems to only be letting me submit gear pics..? my Profile pic is of me tho, and is pretty close to my current condition, I"m just a lil bigger now Smile
*edit
this pic posted I guess. this is the pic I took this morning.