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First Cycle Question

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Hello everyone
I want to first off say I am a newbie and what a great forum and great people. I am interested in taking my first cycle of test-p. I am interested in doing a 12 week test-p only cycle (100mg/eod) at first.

I am
34 years old
5’ 9” and 185lbs
25% body fat

My goals are to gain lean muscle while reducing my bf%. I understand that for any muscle growth while on test that I must increase my food intake greatly and keep my macro in check.

My question to everyone is I know If I take test and increase my food intake I will gain muscle but will the bf% drop since more muscle=more calories burn or will I just gain more muscle under the bf% since my calorie intake will be way greater?

Thanks

cry_havoc's picture

Seems most everybody has covered the basics but I would like to add a few things. Yes your body fat is high but that doesn't mean you cannot accomplish fat loss and muscle gain at the same time. Now I am NOT advocating doing a cycle and then having a half ass physical routine with poor diet. I am stating that with strong diet and physical routine you can accelerate fat loss while on a cycle. But this really boils down to your discipline. I strongly encourage you to develop a good clean diet plan and lifting regiment and follow them religiously for 90 days and then do a cycle. It will take at least that much time and about 600 dollars to acquire your Test E and AI's and PCT gear. During that time you can learn more about what you are trying to accomplish and why you want to accomplish it. For instance, at that body fat the notion of eating like a horse and putting on lean muscle is a misleading concept as you are very likely to put on more body fat. However, you can at your current weight, consume 1800-2400 calories a day and still grow with incredible gains such as 60 pound bench increase, lean muscle mass and watch weight go up to 190-192 all while bringing bf from 18% to 12% in 12 weeks. I would purchase a book on diet; any good one will do such as paleo or I like the Ab's Diet. They will give a fundamental understanding of how your body works with carbs and protein. You then can take your knowledge and apply it to the diets people put on here and understand why they are the way they are. A quick note on the calorie deficit plan is you will have low energy for work outs at first and you will be hungry for the first 3 weeks or so. Eat whole foods and do not rely on shakes and bars as they will blow your diet. Eat often and you will keep hunger at bay. Finally do lots of research on here before you start. You need to know what key words are and what they mean and how they play a roll in your goals. A few of those words would be: HPTA, Estroidiol, SERM, AI, PCT, Front load, Taper off, FSH and LH. These are by far not all of the vocabulary you will need to know but a good start for you to learn how much you do not know yet. Finally but most importantly get blood work done before you start and after your pct. I actually recommend getting one before you start your cycle and another one mid cycle so you can see whats going on with your estrogen and test, one just before pct and one about 4 weeks after your pct. This will help you establish empirical data for a good baseline. You will use this information to build future cycles. I would factor the costs in with your cycle costs. This isn't cheap, but necessary for strong long lasting healthy gains. Good luck!

RickRock1086's picture

This guys got you on point. Lower ur bodyfat ASAP. Then start wih something simple like test e( reason why is because virgin muscle takes a bit to get used to gear, so more than likely u gonna be walking fucked up with sore ass muscles due to the oils untill u get used to it thats why test p is not a good choice since u have pin EOD ubfeel me) Followed with a strcit diest u can have fucken sick ass body within a few years. Dont forget to pin glutes with a 1 1/2 inch needle or quats with a 1 inch, rotate injection site and warm up oil with a hair dryer to avoid some PIP, also expect to get flu like symptoms a few days or hours after first injection but nothin to worry about. Also have an AI on hand good luck and happy cycle.

Solo379's picture

Ya brother still to a long ester first cycle as pinning isn't fun to start out because all you know is glutes for the safest spot. With pinning EOD you need at least 4 spots and pinning at first you'll look at the needle and not want to ,but it's over in a second. Just be careful to where you start pinning choose easy location and have proper needle size brother it works wonders with proper size. Right now im at the start to and know a little ,but not much and my rotation is glutes,quads and soon delts and tri's. I want 8 spots just to be safe and less scare tissue for down the road. So brother enjoy AAS,but make sure you've got everything on hand AI's,PCT extra of it all and extra vials of course so if one breaks your not out and have to PCT right then and there to make sure you level's are ok m8. I've been told that plenty of times. Merry Christmas brother

UncleYoked's picture

A couple things brother, it's generally not recommended to run prop as your first cycle since you will have to pin at least every other day. Enanthate or cyp is a much better choice. Secondly, your bf has got to come way down first before you should run anything. This is because at your current body fat percentage, test is gonna have a much higher affinity to aromatize into estrogen. You're gonna run into a slew of issues ranging from bacne to gyno. You need to do some research on AI's and pct before you start a cycle as well. Get that bf down with diet and cardio first. Then you'll be good to go.

brad2370001's picture

i do plan and getting bf% down some before starting cycle but what do you recommend as a decent bf%. also i am planning on a pct of clomid and nolvadex

UncleYoked's picture

Generally 15% is the goal to get to. But if you can show the dedication to get close to that then you should be fine to start. The issue is that if you have a bf % of 25, it shows that you haven't been doing much. That's ok, happens to a lot of us from time to time. But if you start blasting test and continue to not do much then you could likely be worse off in the long run than before. Gear is amazing stuff, but it's not magic.

brad2370001's picture

i do agree i have been just letting go for awhile. I was planning on dropping to about 20%bf before starting any cycle. What do you think about the amount of calorie intake at 20% body fat. Like i said i am interested in gaining lean muscle but also losing more bf with the cycle. I dont ant to over eat and just gain muscle i and the help lose bf as well.

UncleYoked's picture

Caloric intake is going to be solely dependent on what your daily expenditures will be. Keep the carbs down and increase your cardio and you will be surprised at the amount of weight you can lose. At your current weight and bf%, you're carrying roughly 45 pounds of fat. You can easily drop 15-20 pounds of that by eating clean and keeping your heart rate up.

UncleYoked's picture

Cut out any of your processed carbs like white bread, sodas, crap like that. Eat lean sources of protein like chicken and fish. Stay away from fast food. You're in position where even a few changes will yield results for you. You will have to dial things in tighter the more weight that comes off.

hypnoso's picture

1st cycle bro stick to Test E or Test C so you dont have to pin EOD, your muscles are not gonna like being poked EOD first time out, A longer ester is much better run 500 ML a week 2 pins a week like Wed Sunday, Your Bodyfat is pretty high you may wanna get that down a bit before this cycle, These other guys are much more experienced then me they'll tell you the same. Test P later bro! Good luck

Dirkdiggler's picture

Just to clear this up^^^

He means 500 MG a week split up...

Could you imagine 500 ML a week!? I mean DAMN!! You'd have to hit every muscle in your body lol
Good post/info though.

UncleYoked's picture

There is some research that suggest anavar can aid in the removal of subQ abdominal fat. But it's not a diet pill. The fact is this guy needs to drop a good 8-10% of his bf with diet and exercise alone before running anything.

brad2370001's picture

thanks tt
based on the bf% and other info what kind of calorie intake should i be looking for since i do have the extra fat to burn and get calories from. I want to make sure i do have enough for the muscle growth also