+ 1 First cycle plan, how bad is it?
Hi guys,
Been lurking on this site for some time to build up my knowledge as I wanted to make sure I had an idea of what i need to do before jumping into steroids. Finally thought it was about time I made a proper profile and get into this properly!
So then... where to start.
So I will getting my bloods done by medicheck. I am planning on doing the “Sports hormone check”. I will be carrying out one test at the start, the next 4-5 weeks into the cycle and one after the cycle to see where I have ended up following the pct. Not sure whether to maybe do the middle test sooner depending on if I feel any side effects or not?
This is going to be a 500mg Test-e only cycle for 10-12 weeks.
I have Arimidex on stand by as well as nolva. (On a side note, the Nolva I have is a few months out of date, will this weaken it or would it still be okay for use?) don’t mind buying more or needs be!
I will be also be using Chlomid and Nolva as my pct that I will be running for 4 weeks starting 2 weeks after my last pin.
Now, is there anything I may be missing, or anything I have completely planned wrong?
I have been trying to read as much as I can and want to do this right. I don’t mind if there is something I need to change or add.
Also to explain the out of date Nolva. I bought everything for my first cycle a while back and then soon realised I wasn’t ready so it had been sat in my draw for when I was!
Thanks in advance guys!
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RustyhookerSo 5ft 9 at 168lbs is the new cosign for eroids? Yall really so hard up to be cool daddy that this is the new fad? Do you see any reason a dude with those stats is in any way ready for STEROIDS?
I'm an advocate of using Test Prop for your first cycle , I know Test Eth is the go to for most first timers but I have my reasons.
Reading your post though I have to say you seem very unsure of yourself and of what your about to get into, I would maybe seriously rethink it.
RustyhookerYou see his stats below? And cosigned prop??
I think the main thing that has sent me down the Test E route is it seems to be the majority vote for first timers. That and there is a lot of guidance doing it that way too that’s all. I didn’t come across all that much for prop for a first cycle, may I ask why that is your preferred method buddy?
It’s not that I am unsure, I just know it’s not something I should be just winging and just wanted to make sure I have covered all bases. Main thing I was unsure of was using the out dated Nolva and just buy more haha.
RustyhookerDont do prop! You ready for every day pins?
Rusty that is the whole point dude, Its a baptism by fire.
With Prop , Its quick in and you get a taste for the sides right away to see if you can handle them , and if you start getting bad sides you can discontinue the Prop immediately and it will exit your system with in a few days, boom PCT give it a week or two and your back to normal.
Also with prop, yes you are pinning daily or eod but that is good training , you learn how to pin properly , you learn how to draw oils properly, you also find out very quickly if you are going to be able to handle sticking your self daily or eod.
you know as well as I do when you actually run a real cycle with multiple inject-able compounds , you are injecting EOD if not Daily. Prop gives you a good idea from the start whether or not you are even cut out for such a thing.
But you are right bro , either way I should not have suggested anything to him.
Don't call me buddy, Ok Chief ?
Rustyhooker: 28....Height: 5,9....Weight: 168lbs....BF:
Noone even asked stats. Cycle is a bad idea
TBH I think BF should also be listed always, cause I remember my first semester in college I went from 180 to 200 trying to "bulk" or what I thought was bulking. Point is that weight would look great with 9% BF but terrible with 22%
RustyhookerPicture above is a mouth on a stick. Thats IS the stats at 9%. So you think the picture dude posted above is ready for steroids? I crap bigger. Dude posted above could easily add 20 solid with just food. Jesus...high school football team is bigger than that. Lol
Nah not the picture above, I meant someone at 200lbs at 9%
I added an inch ;) I understand I may not have hit my genetic potential yet, but there is a lot of people that didn’t before they started either. I am here to learn, join and in and most of all get things right. Why is my cycle a bad idea buddy, have I got something wrong?
Rustyhooker30 pounds skinny yet going yolo on a drug regimine. Thats lazy.
Yeah definitely agree with starting off with around 300mg test for your first cycle.
You can then up it for your second cycle.
RustyhookerSo he got cosigned on a bad plan...you might read a bit more before dropping info. Get somem stats, gosls etc so you know whats going on
I think that’s going to be my plan now buddy, definitely think it’s going to be better than jumping straight into 500mg! Thanks for the input
What’s your diet plan like?
I am currently only on 2000 calories as I have been cutting as I go on holiday next week! Still been keeping my protein high and just lowered my carbs to help. Will be adjusting when I do start my cycle to make up for it and will track and adjust accordingly. Don’t want to just think “now I’m on gear I can eat whatever...” will also look to setup a meal plan for the full cycle too so that I don’t give in and eat crap.
I'm still a newbie so don't take this as advice, but I went with 300mg a week and results were much better than I expected.
Bought 3 vials didn't even finish the 2nd so there's a bit of an incentive money wise too.
In hindsight 23 was probs too young and with only 3 years of solid training afte 2 prior of swing weights around without knowing wtf I was doing.
I am really glad I asked for the advice as I wouldn’t have thought of going so low for a first cycle! Seems like a really smart idea starting off smaller for the long run. Cheers for your input buddy, much appreciated.
Molinin302Always start low, you'll find your sweet spot. You're in the right place, asking the right questions, and giving the right info. I'll give you a +
Thanks buddy! really appreciate it and all the advice I can get. I want to do this right and if I am doing anything wrong I’d want to be told.
Molinin302Best advice I can give is there may be such a thing as a stupid question, this forum has a search bar and most questions can be found. Don't be lazy lol
Agreed! I have spent hours using that thing to get where I am so far as I don’t have any help round my area, everything is internet or nothing as no one likes to admit using at my local gyms. This site has helped me so much and I am glad I asked for the advice as I am yet to come across anything saying less than 500mg a week. That is going to help so much since instead of thinking about stacking on my next future cycle I can just up to 500mg then instead and go from there
Living4ThePumpI find 500mg too much for a first cycle. Get your natural test levels tested first and go from there. If you‘re not that high in normal range 250-300mg will be more than sufficient.
100mg on TRT got me into 1100 Range. So 250-300 will be 3x more and more than enough for a first cycle.
Save yourself some for your second cycle where you could go 500mg then. No need to already stack.
Kind regards
Good advice, some guys will respond very well to 300 mgs
RustyhookerDid he even ask stats? Ops written form looks very rookie.
He said he was 28 and been training ten years but he does sound undersized for having put in that much work. Probably his diet is off.
He said a picture is coming, so we’ll see
Living4ThePumpThank you !
Thanks for the advice buddy! I only ever seen to see people advising 500mg test only for their first cycle. Never really seen anything for a lower dose but you definitely make a great point.
I will be getting my bloods done in a week when I get back from my holiday so will be good to see my normal levels.
Living4ThePumpYes people always hold on on the 500mg as if it is the magic number. But it’s all about how you respond and your base levels. The response do a certain dosage will be individual to everyone.
Post a self shot. You sure you need a cycle?
How many years have you been training consistently and dieting strictly?
i am 28, been training since I was 18. Had to take a few months off due to a shoulder injury about 3 years ago but have been back at it since. Train 5 to 6 days a week and eat clean for the majority bar the Saturday takeaway. Will need to see if I can find any decent pictures or take one later on.