posted Fri, 06/21/2013 - 21:21
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First Cycle, Need some expert help :)
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Test Enthate 250mg,
Primobolan 100mg,
Nolva
Clomid
HCG 5000 iu amp.
Week 1-12, Test E two times a week, 500mg
Week 1-12, Primo E, two times a week, 200 mg
Heard/researched nolva and clomid combo for past year, I've heard so many mixed responses, I just want to prevent gyno at most possible.
Not to sure on pct and HCG dosage.
Height: 5"10"
Age: 20
Body fat: 15%
Weight: 170pounds
Been body building for about 4 years, wrestling and MMA is my life. I just wanted to try a 12 week cycle to put on some more weight and cut up a little. I have a solid diet routine and workout routine. Just need some advice, on pct.
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You're too young. People don't say this because they think you're immature, it's because you're natural test levels are already peaking. You'll make much better use of your time if you just put in the work, eat right and lift heavy shit. In no time, you'll hit 190lbs and be lean. Don't rush things so early, you'll screw your body up by introducing high amounts of test at your early age. Wait a few more years.
Once you've waited those few years (or if you choose to ignore us all), drop the primo and the HCG and stick with test e or c at 500mg/wk and some tbol.
Tbol gets people extra aggressive. If you're active in MMA and wrestling, it'll be a good compound to take for those activities.
Also, add .5eod or .25ed of Arimidex to help keep gyno at bay.
Hope this was helpful.
...i still think you should wait. Otherwise you'll regret it in 5 years when you can't bulk up without gear and even while on gear it takes 2x the amount of compounds to produce standard results. All because you introduced all of these chemicals while you're natural levels were already high enough.
But that's just my 2cents.
Not trying to be rude, but you're only at 170lbs after 4 yrs of natty bodybuilding? At your age you should have fairly high natural testosterone levels. If your diet and workouts are dialed in correctly you should still be growing pretty well. I would say eat and workout like you are on cycle for a for a while till you plateau, then consider a real cycle.
In my opinion, you really don't need to run any cycles at the moment especially at 170lbs. Get yourself to at least 210lbs naturally, I've been there not a hard thing to do, then maybe think about a simple test cycle when you're at least 24 and have reached a good weight/foundation with more than just a "solid diet and workout routine"
Again, just my honest opinion.
AnonDude.........your 20 years old. You do not need steroids you can add mass by working your ass off in the gym and eating a good diet packed with protein.......i cant beleive guys in here are approving of you to use steroids....you are too young and should wait a few more years
No one approved a 20 year old. He just changed his stats from 22 to 20 when he was caught in a lie from another post.. This post is originally 22 years old and mma.. I know that's not much of a difference but I tend to be more generous with advice if theyre 21 or over and serious about this which is what he described.. clearly I was mistaken
actually agreed!! I reckon he has edited the age since first post!!! to the author listen to this bro^^^^^to young mate!!!! don't do any cycle at all!!!! disregard my previous post to young bro!!!
You just changed your stats on this post ..............................
yep x 2 bro, its been edited!!!!!
Save your primo and start hoarding it for now. Run your test E
1. You want to know how you respond to 500mg of test E alone and not confuse it with another compound
2. Primo is a great compound but you're running it too low to REALLY get results from it, so just keep collecting primo until your 2nd cycle rolls around. You will be better prepared this way.
3. HCG really is not a must on a 12 week test E only cycle but if you want to use it since you already have it.. I don't think it would hurt anything, just be aware it raises estrogen among other things.
4. I do not see and AI like Aromasin or Adex listed and testosterone converts to estrogen which will waste your gains and give you gyno. If you are not familiar with AI's you need to hold off on your cycle for a bit and research as much as possible so you can be prepared for what can happen.
PCT
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20
OR
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 20/20/10/10
Aromasin 12.5/12.5/6.25/6.25
Those are just guide lines you have so really pay attention to how your body responds because we all respond differently. This is how you get the best results
Yeah there's no point in running hCG your absolutely right. On the pct doses, is that something that i would take daily, weekly, and then the dosage at once or spread out thoughout the day.
I've also read, taking your AI is best in the morning, and your pct right before bed.
The reason because your natural testosterone is highest the morning (morning wood), and if you take your pct right before bed, it will reduce estrogen, helping peak your test levels next day in the morning. Just want to verify that with you.
You take your PCT daily of the spand of four weeks so 100mg of clomid a day for 2 weeks then 50mg daily for 2 more weeks etc
Honestly when you take it is totally up to you just make sure you take it!!.. I would say try it both ways to find what you like.. I take half my clomid in the morning and the other half at night with my nolva before bed.. My AI i just take in the morning..
Besides that drinking is a big no no during pct.. it will ruin your pct.. I see a lot of guys finishing a cycle and going into party mode then walking away with some gyno and lost gains
save the primo for later cycle. If you get sides on your cycle you want to be able to know from which compound. That's why you always run test first and only. Over time you start adding in one compound at a time to see how your body reacts to them. Test is the basic compound you run with all your cycles. You will grow plenty from a test e only cycle.
Perfect, so basically building the bodies tolerance, thank you for the great information.
Totally makes sense, just trial and error basically. Thank you for your assistance.
should be- test e @ 500 a week for 12 weeks- aromasin throughout cycle-this will stop your gyno worries and any other estrogen related sides, and yes nolva and clomid starting 2.5 weeks after last pin, hcg is optional as its test only and your first cycle, drop the primo,no point running at that dose plus its you first run.any other questions just ask
Ahh! Thank you so much for your help.