First cycle, looking for advice
24, 6'3", 13-14% BF, started at 175 lbs, got a trainer 3x a week and gained 15 lbs, hit a strength cap and now 7/10 weeks on Test E 500mg a week and 195lbs, still at 13-14% BF.
Trainer contract ends Feb 1st, I have a high hopes goal of hitting 220lbs at 9-10% BF and was suggested to switch to this premix: Test E 500mg, Tren E 300mg a week +Anavar, my own research says that might be too much Tren for a first time, another premix is: Test E 400mg, Tren E 200mg, Masteron E 200mg a week +Anavar. I have done research but, I would much rather benefit from other peoples' knowledge and experience before making a decision, any custom stack would also be helpful, though likely to cost 2-3 times as much as the 2 premixed ones I listed. Also PCTs; AIs, etc. And any other recommended/required supplement, what type, how much and when to take them based on the recommended course change to my current cycle as my research often contradicts each other and hasn't been the most specific.
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Up to 202.5 lbs now with 9.5 weeks left and plan to change cycle to 15 weeks of Test E 250 mg twice a week and add Anavar for the second half of the cycle from advice on other forums.
@MedDx a lot of PCT plans online say a 3 week Nolva plan is right for Test E cycles, Clomid +Nolva was recommended for other compounds. Would you agree or can explain why to change that plan?
Look, rules are rules on this forum, so you're not going to get any cycle advice. I am however confused by you adding anavar to the second half of the cycle, or even extending this cycle to 15 weeks.
Refresh my memory, but is this your first cycle? You do not want to run it that long and risk your recovery, especially at 24.
Your issue is that you're reading too much bro science on other forums. There are good forums out there and have some great information, but you'd want to run Nolva+clomid for 4 weeks as your PCT. It's the safest way to run a PCT and ensure you recover fully, and PCT is not something you want to skimp on.
Thank Fuck!!.......................................... lol
I don't know the whole story and hate judging people, but if it is truth then your personal trainer is a piece of shit scummbag. To put somebody on one of the strongest steroids out there to make his job easy is a cheap shot. On that cycle you will grow no mattet what so he will look good. Guy should be put down as soon he might start promising guys to gaine 5 inches in biceps with his training methods and start injecting people with synthol. If all of it is true I would drop him because he is a scammer and don't absolutaley care about you, your health and well being.
Fuck @6'3 175lbs an extra cheeseburger a day would have blown this kid up, never mind tren.
Been there, done that, usually with an entire large meatlovers pizza as an after supper snack, doing that is what bumped me from 165-175
I read your diet...my wife is bulking @3600 calories and she is 5'6 and currently 152 lbs and climbing. You eat a measly 600 calories more than a woman that could be your mothers age.
You are 7 inches taller than her and 20 years younger so you tell me why you have resorted to aas befroe venturing into a higher calorie diet.
You need to ask yourself if you can handle at least 5000 calories every day because no matter what you take you will not achieve what you are setting out to do. If you cannot eat to obtain your goal then you may wanna find another hobby.
You would certainly get results if I was training you cause I'd be all over your shit about your lack of calories. If you gave me excuses I'd tell you that you may wanna look into crossfit or golf or some shit.
I was on 3000 calories before going to the gym and my school buddy is 5'8" and 230lbs on 3000 calories a day and my best friend is 27, 5'5", 145 lbs on 9800 calories a day.
I started increasing the calories to my diet and was gaining weight (186 lbs), after a few weeks started to lose weight (182 lbs) so jumped to 3600 calories and was able to go from 182 to 190 lbs rather slowly so jumped again to 4200 calories and reached 195 lbs a week ago.
This is not my hobby, just a goal followed by maintenance, however long it takes to hit that goal.
I suggest you up your kcals 1-200 weekly. Don't skimp out on the carbs and make sure your intensity is at it's best each and every workout. That should make sure your foods are getting utilized into muscle. Look ito some digestive enzymes to handle the amount of food your going to need to take in. Do a search on here and you should come up with some great reads.
I'm not here to bash you but I think your trainer sucks ass. So thats on you how you go about getting where you need to be. Again research the shit outta the proper dieting techniques on this site and you will see what the common denometator to getting massive is.
Ive recently added digesetive enzymes to most of my meals in the last two months and i think its helped alot. Theyre a little expensive but its worth it to me.
They help most for me on off days when you're not expending as many calories.
Notes taken and will implement them, feel free to bash the trainer, he's half decent at pushing in the gym though very single minded, my opinion has been low for him from the start anyways.
Most just want your money without giving you enough info so you can stray and do shit for yourself. They need to keep you hooked for their paycheck.
@MedDx
PCT plan is Nolvadex 100mg day 1 (2 weeks after last Test E dose), 60mg day 2-11, 40mg day 12-21. Again, advice is appreciated.
@The Impastable
220 lbs is just a long shot goal and in a 10 week timeframe, not the end of Test E cycle but to the end of January and losing the BF is something I can start in February, just trying to get the most out of having a trainer at the gym.
Clomid in PCT is 100/100/50/50...why is not mentioned?
And Nolva should be run an additional week.
Sounds good...i was gonna say run standard nolva protocol...i see it posted abuncha dfferent ways....
I always use the eroids standard when making recommendations... I know a bunch of other boards always have different protocols so that's probably why we see all these different ones. I personally felt like shit following a 100 day one, 60 for two weeks, and 40 for last two when I did my cycle, so I never recommend one like that... It may have been since it was Nolva only (another thing I notice on other boards, the use of either Nolva or either clomid), so perhaps that played a role.
Imho...i really believe every PCT i have ran needed to be 6 weeks...500mg/wk for 12 wks is a lot of juice for a long time...lol!!
So your goal is to hit 220 lbs, and then immediately start cutting? That's a little counterproductive is it not? I also hate to break it to you, but to hit 220lbs in eight weeks is going to require you putting on a higher BF%, not shedding 5%... You're also going to be losing all the mass you're putting on by immediately trying to cut it down as your body is not used to holding the additional mass and will look to lose it and drop back down to its maintenance weight (which would be around 190 at your current point). You're going to yo-yo and there's no worse feeling man.
You may want to hold the 220lbs for several weeks before cutting. Post up your diet and we will see what we're working with.
diet is already posted below, timing is different for weekends from sleeping in etc. but is consistent in relation to waking and going to sleep
I'll take a look and work out some macros on paper if you give me amounts. I reckon you're not eating large enough amounts in order to grow.
Everyone here has posted every answer you could ever need. I don't really have anything to add, but you need to reconsider things a little bit.
Your planned cycle only had 3 weeks left... You've gained 20lbs so far, and it took seven week. At least half of it would be water, so do the math. Do you honestly think you can hit 220lbs on three more weeks while losing 5% body fat? It isn't gonna happen, no matter what the hell you plug yourself full of.
Listen to these guys, run a PCT, and then let's work on your diet to get you to 220 in the off cycle phase. This is a marathon, not a sprint.
The way I read it is that he has gained 5 lbs in 7 weeks. Nice tag there pasta, well desrved.
Thank you very much GP.
I see what you mean by the 5lbs in 7 weeks... Seems a bit strange to me tbh then, I'd expect much higher gain numbers...
Post your PCT PLAN....please
Welcome to EROIDs. When do u turn 25?
Has your trainer really helped you that much? If so, who is recommending Tren and Var in ur first cycle? Thats bullshit, bro!! Straight fkn bullshit!!
You just started using Test. Multi-compound stacks that consist of 19-nors and orals are ridiculous for first time cycles!! And there is a ship load of members here that will agree.
My suggestion would be for you to CONTINUE asking and discussing your questions on here. If ur trainer is really helping you, then keep him/her. But, if trainer isnt providing effective info, then maybe he/she can learn something from you.
Lots of comments and good advice below. Fact is you're 24 so won't be getting and aas cycle advice from me. Sorry. I will advice two things:
Stop now. Wait two weeks. Run a standard PCT and take a good hard look at your diet (plenty of advice on this already and go to the diet forum for more bespoke help) and training protocol. Get these two things right and apply patience and hard work and your gains will come naturally. Which at 24 is all you should need or be looking to do.
This trainer who advised you to jump on a cycle at your age and is now advising a change to include some pretty advanced and harsh compounds needs to get fired as soon as possible.
Good luck fella.
Solid advice
OK guys, we all were here before. Lets try not to insult the user but rather give him the kind of advice we all wish we had.
The most common first cycle is simple, straight forward, safe, and relatively cheap.
Testosterone Enthanate @ 500mg per week for ten weeks is the most common first cycle.
This cycle is simple and to the point.
Most of your growth will have occurred by the end of week eight for most first time cyclist but you will have enough testosterone for ten weeks of use so why not use it all? Testosterone-e will stay at a relatively high level for at least two weeks after the cycle is over and this will aid you in keeping 100% of your gains for an additional two weeks providing workout diet and rest remain in check,
If you have never experienced heavy acne during your teenage years (a sign of estrogen sensitivity) and most likely will not have noticeable estrogen sides but you still need to have your novadex, arimidex, or aromasin on hand. To keep it simple order a supply of nolvadex and clomid along with you testosterone enthanate
In summary you need to obtain
Two 10ml viles of Testosterone–Enthanate
Thirty tablets of Clomed (clomiphene citrate) (pct)
Twenty Tablets of Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate) (pct)
Ten tablets of Arimidex (to combat possible estrogen side effects such as gynomastia “if” this should occure at all.” But do not skimp, this is your first cycle so you do not know how your body will react to increased estrogen)
OP is 24 years old. Go back and read the rules. -2 for being so eager to please.
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Notice the name bearsfan1991, yet claims to be 25? usernames give these morons away every time.
His Adviced Sucked...lol
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Hahhahaha.
Can I x5 this? Lol! Exactly the point I made above. And MedDx is right though. The OP should and will hopefully stick around and learn something.
And that's why I came here to ask, my trainer claims to have gotten 25lb lean mass gain in 5 weeks off tren +anavar and I was calling bull, as to diet:
oatmeal, carrots and protein shake at 6am.
chicken, almonds and quinoa at 9am
chicken, pork chop, haddock or salmon and potato wedges or brown rice and mini can of coke at 11:30
chicken or pork and baked potato or brown rice (whichever I didn't have earlier) at 2pm
steak and potato and carrots at 4:30-5pm
small portion of chicken, almonds, carrots around 7-8pm
bed by 10pm, 4200 cal, 3-4 liters of water throughout the day, no alcohol at all, sleep cycle is fine: 8 hours
I did gain 10 lbs over a 3 week span before the Test E and as I said 220 was a "high hopes" goal, I'd be happy with 205, 210, whatever. This isn't my area of expertise and I'm not going to bluff to say my knowledge is anything more than just scratching the surface so I think the fool is the noob who takes the word of a new kinesiology graduate trainer without looking for many opinions from people with years of knowledge and experience. The biggest benefit to my current goals is the trainer driving me in the gym until the contract ends Feb 1st and I just want to take as much advantage over it as I can then I can work on maintaining weight and dropping to 9-10% BF
Thats correct brother....this tells us everything....thumbs up
We cant change your mind and you have almost completed the cycle. Finish it.
Dont add anything else. In fact, everything the trainer tells u bring that info back here and cross reference it here...
The only way to hit 220 and have 9-10% BF is by diet, cardio and lifting regimen. Its not gonna happen on this cycle...maybe next one...and i can guarantee you if you start fkn with tren and orals over food and single compounds, at your age, you will fry your endocrine system, mess up your lipids and thyroid, cause liver damage and not have any gains whatsoever....
Give a look to the link. This and training alone should suit you well. Also please post up this guys recommend pct.
http://www.themuscleprogram.com/meal-plans/5000-calorie-meal-plan/
RustyhookerDamn bs wannabe trainers.
So....we (Eroid members-8 DEEP) roll up into the gym where we have tracked the OP to :)....we are there to speak with his trainer...we spot the brother and head his way...
RustyhookerThat so called "trainer" would catch an earfull.
It would be a good face to face.....no.doubt about that...lol
The anavar suggestion is a dead giveaway to the trainers ass hattery.
RustyhookerTren e blends and wanting 45 pounds too. I wonder if hes even got the right pct?
45 pounds....lol..maybe three cycles and that much "lean mass" ....and one of the cycles would need to be a short-ester..prolly TP/MP...But, that goal is gonna take some time...some major fkn lifting and cardio regimens...
RustyhookerTime and tons of food. He can do it but gotta be patient. 15 pounds is a great first run. Eat big and grow easily. Past your max potential is the h ard times. 4 pounds on a cycle and you're happy.