First cycle (in 5 years)
Hey guys, a little background:
I've been lifting for about 8 years (17-25). I played around with some cycles prematurely from ages19-20. Test, tren, other compounds I didn't need. Results were decent. Thankfully no joint or serious health repercussions. Based on feedback and a personal decision, I wised up and went natural for the past 5 years.
I've been in a good place with my diet and routine. I'm almost back up to the numbers I achieved when cycling with gear 5 years ago. I'd like to do things the safe, intelligent way this time around.
Currently I'm 5'10(and a half) 185-190
i've taken my first cycle straight from the stickied post:
1-12 Test E @ 500mg a week split
4-all the way up until you start your PCT --your AI(do research on how to use and which to use Start PCT 15 days after last shot.
Clomid 100/100/50/50
nolvadex 40/40/20/20
I feel good about the gear itself--250mg Test E twice weekly for 12 weeks. Just wanted to get some feedback on the PCT and AI.
PCT: I've heard conflicting thoughts on using both Clomid & Nolva. One over the other? Overboard with both? Any thoughts with this being my first cycle back? (I think I used only Nolva 5 years ago, if that helps.)
AI: I didn't need an AI in the past, but it comes highly recommended. Based on research, it seems wise to have Adex (any preferences over Adex?) on hand just in case.
Unless someone wants to convince me that it's:
A) Not necessary until I notice a reaction, therefore wait to purchase it
or
B) Aboslutely necessary and I should begin taking it at week 4 through the end of cycle regardless of reaction
I'm posting primarily to make sure I have my bases covered. This place sure has developed over the last 5 years. The growth of knowledge is awesome. Feel free to poke holes in my approach.
Thanks for tracking along and providing any feedback.
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bigmurphHey brother how are you im glad to see that you did some research before posting but your research is on the compounds portion which is good but the compounds are only 20% of a cycle.
You say you played ball so im guessing that you know your way around a weight room. Post up your diet you would run with this cycle your macros water intake and all that. I just want to make sure that you cover all your bases before jumping in.
Also at 5'11 185 I believe that you could get closer to 200lbs before using anything. Your diet and training will be everything during your cycle make sure that you have it perfect.
Good luck and good gains brother
I also always reccomend clomiphene and Nolvadex if you can take both
Thanks for the response man, really appreciate it.
Clomi & Nolva it is.
I focused on cycle to keep it appropriate to the forum section but I'd love to share my diet and get your feedback. I've flirted with 190 naturally but never broken the barrier. And that's on a 4000 cal diet. I'd love to break the barrier before starting a cycle. I'll post my diet asap.
Thanks again.
bigmurphNo doubt shoot me an fr and hit me up anytime
GnarkillOnly thing I have to say even at your age is that you did your research and that's rare here it's always some stupid kid asking if he can take tren his first cycle and not have to be a pin cushion. If it's just a test cycle you have this figured out. My first test cycle I had every pct you could have just to be safe anyways good job on researching nice to see someone more serious about using
Thanks man. The silver lining to my way too premature cycles was all the research I did years ago. Familiarized me with terminology, pct, the ins and outs. Not much has changed.
With your feedback in mind, sounds like the rather be safe than sorry route is optimal for the first cycle.
Appreciate your feedback.
Im not saying g2g id wait if I were you sounds like your still gaining. You could do clomid alone nolva idk. I'd do both using pharma. I've been using adex when I need it but will be switching to aromasin as it looks to be a better AI. And while you may not need it it's better to have it than not need it than not have it and need it. It's like condoms we all have one but we don't get laid every night you still have it. I'd wait but I'd bet you won't just be safe and have everything you need before you start and realize you could fuck up having kids or possible shutdown for along while or having to stick yourself in the ass for life.
Great feedback. As mentioned in a previous post, I haven't seen any serious gains in about 18 months. Just holding steady with where I'm at.
Thanks for the Nolva v Clomid input. I'll continue to read up on Adex vs Armoasin--sounds like armoasin may be the better bet.
Again, I'm deliberately welcoming in feedback. If you could only see the silly stacks I took at a much younger age. Despite my impatience, I've always been very thorough about the PCT/AI & other details of the cycle.
Thanks for the reminder on side effects. Personally, my wife & I both prefer adoption
Well that's cool with the adoption road as there are enough kids that need good home so right on bro. Like I said I'd do nolva and clomid both pharma grade. And I like adex but I have been doing a ton of research and aromasin looks a lot better with no e2 rebound
Sounds good. Keep me posted on what you discover with with adex v aromasin. I'm always interested in the latest info.
while 25 is the miminum to recieve advice about anabolics, I usually suggest waiting until closer to 30. you're still in a great physiological state to make great gains natutally.
have you considered waiting a few more years? why are you so rushed? you mentioned you've been making decent gains without AAS. you'll be more satisfied with you results long term if you create the best base possible before initiating the use of AAS.
Great question. I've plateaued over the last 18 months. Tweaked with diet, supplements, training, and had very little results. I've lowered BF by a few % points but usually at the cost of dropping weight.
I feel great about my base and where I'm at. I don't feel rushed at all. I'm not trying to stack compounds or push the limits--as I was previously inclined to do. I feel comfortable and confident with a nice beginner cycle of test.
Appreciate the thoughtful questions & feedback.
AT 5'10" and 185 lbs and still in your prime, there is absolutely no reason why you should be plateauing unless your diet and/or training is not up to par. I'm going to say it is the diet holding you back. Yea you will gain some weight while on cycle due to increased glycogen retention and that will be it. There won't be much in terms of actual muscle since you are not eating what it takes to build it now. How do you expect steroids to do that then?. They don't make muscle out of nothing. Once the cycle is over you will lose the weight from the increased glycogen load and be right back where you are now and possibly worse off because you are going to have to recover your HPTA. Post up your diet, TDEE, macros etc. and let's figure out where you need some help here otherwise you are just going to keep yo-yoing as you cycle. You'll gain some weight on cycle and lose it all afterwards.
Based on previous experience with gear, I'm familiar with the results it yields.
I'm not eating what it takes to built it now? That may be true, but you haven't seen my diet yet man.
Nonetheless, I understand where you're coming from and if you're offering to provide feedback on my diet, I'm glad to share it. I'll get it posted asap.
Thanks for taking the time to respond.
have you hy chance had blood work done to see where your natural production is at currently?
I would def get blood work. I was about to start my first cycle in years. I have also taken some immature approaches to AAS in my early years and decided before this cycle I will get my blood work so I could see what my numbers were naturally. I discovered I have extremely low test. So instead of starting the cycle I am seeing if I can get my natural test up with Clomid. I like you quit making gains almost a year and that's why I wanted to start a cycle. But I want to try and regain my nat test if possible. Good luck and I think your cycle is a great first cycle coming back. I would take Clomid and nolvadex 100 100 50 50
40 40 20 20.
Wow interesting. Good to note. How is the clomid helping with getting your natty test back up?
& The consensus seems to be Clomid + Nolva, I'll use both. Thanks.
I can tell a few things. I've woke up with morning wood everyday while taken the Clomid. So that's a plus. I feel like I have more energy not so tired but that might be in my head. I just finished my 4 weeks so I'm waiting 2 weeks and then going to get blood checked to see if it raised it very much. I will let you know