-1 First Cycle Ever, Need Assistance!
Alright, so before I say anything else, I will admit, I fucked up. I tried doing this the easy way without learning too much, and I placed orders and this and that, and it looks like I'm heading in the wrong direction. So I read the stickies, and I'm much more knowledgeable thanks to some of the genius' on this glorious site. However, here's my issues, and I need more genius' to help here...
First off, I hate needles. I know, I know, you're about to attack the shit out of me and say "WHELP NO NEEDLES THEN DONT EVEN BOTHER BRO". But seriously, I fucking hate needles. I went into this whole thing, preparing for an oral-only cycle.
I ending up (and I'm still waiting for) ordering Kalpa's Turanaxyl (Tbol) and Gen-Shi's Dbol tablets. So obviously, I took no preparation into deciding anything, I just assumed, "Hey, I'm going to basically take this shit as supplements." So my plan was to take Tbol alone for the recommended dosage/time period, shred some fat, and help build some muscle, then weeks later down the line take a bit of this Dbol and bulk up.
Yes, I know what you're thinking, save it...
Now here's my questions, and answers will be greatly appreciated:
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First and foremost, IF I ended up doing my oral-only idea as posted above, what would be so bad? I understand Dbol would not be so nice to the liver, but aside, if I did Tbol or Dbol alone for a short cycle, is that really going to actually do some damage or is it just a dumb idea because I'll probably lose my gains? I feel a lot of people bash on one another for oral only cycles and all, but I've yet to see a good explanation other than, "Dude, you'll most likely lose it all".
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After reading TRTblastcruise's brilliant guide to cycling (http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/how-to-run-a-cycle), I feel that's how I want to go. Where could I find a good guide to injecting? I mean, I need to know how to inject, where to inject, how to keep needles sterile, cautions, and where to buy needles, etc. You have to realize, I don't know a single thing about injection...
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Also, after reading that guide, he strongly recommended taking HCG during the cycle. I looked up some HCG on a supplier's site and there's all kinds of different sizes and amounts and I don't know what the hell I'm looking at. TRT recommends 500ui's a week, so if someone could elaborate on that a little, that'd be AWESOME.
I never really planned on being a dude who'd want to keep cycling. I always had the mindset that I'd just do a cycle or 3 and be done with it, which is why I only ordered those tabs. My main concern (before buying Test, and Nolva, and tons of other shit and do the legit pro cycle as suggested) is if I will be running into any danger by doing a Tbol-oral-only cycle (lol). Kalpa's Turanaxyl is extremely low toxicity to the liver, and it's not that potent as far as gains and such go.
I WILL most likely do TRT's suggested cycle, utilizing Test E and I'll save the Dbol I bought for this as well.
Hope the hate comments won't be too brutal!
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cant wait for big viking your lucky for the different time zone i just bought corn chips and salsa........
AnonWhy the hell do I keep having to bring this up??
Fuck I need to just make a copy and paste at this point its RIDICULOUS reading through this all tonight! No wonder people are dicks in this sub-forum!
I did steroids (Deca) as a perfectly healthy horny 17 year old as was recommended by "friends" that were all closer to 25 ish. Never recovered and I'm on TRT now at 23. Spent a whole year with a limp dick through high school that isn't a joke. You will end up fucking yourself up bad just like I did. Want to talk - PM me I'm fine with that more than happy to tell a younger dude what exactly happens when you juice too young and also more than happy to help with diet and training advice because I guarantee you could hit 190-200 lbs. solid natural AT LEAST.
I hope I'm not just feeding a troll post.
stunnerhrI'm not going to bash you because when I was 18 I had actually convinced myself that I needed AAS but thankfully a more experienced lifter talked me out of it. I went up to 220 naturally and now looking back I think imagine if I had actually done a cycle then, I'd probably be on trt at age 25. I thank my friend to this day for talking me out of it and if I gained all that naturally then you can do that too if not more. You got this man stay Natty you'll thank yourself later.
AnonBro read my profile I fucked up a lot as a kid and I know where your coming from but believe me if you get your diet 100% u can gain or loose what ever u want I always thought I needed an edge and then I stopped all the bullshot got serious about diet and exercise and got the results I was lookin for with out gear and at 25 people say I'm a little young to be fuxkin with aas so I stick to simple test only bit at 19 your bodies still raging with test you would be stupid to put any kind of hormone in. You. Trust me bro.
Thanks man, I'll take more time researching the topic. Appreciate you supporting me in backing out.
RustyhookerIt's obvious before even getting heated that
-1 means troll. Loud n clear. Nothing posted will help.
Livertransplant for one!
At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
And you know what, fuck you. All these experienced guys on here still took the time to write a response to help me better myself, and you over here post this shit to make it seem like you're some expert who owns the place.
You take AAS and you're still small as fuck. Yeah, I saw your shit, I'm a little guy with no steroids, still have bigger arms than you. Why don't you go swim yourself out of here you little bitch.
bro it was a joke ever seen billy madison?
i dont claim to be a guru, i dont claim to be "Big", im man enough to post up REAL pics and REAL stats.....what about you? my stats and pick are not fabricated they are me and im proud as fuck to have accomplised what i have in the almost 2 years ive been a member, and i dont give "advice" often unless i know something for sure
In my life ive ran 5 weeks of prop, TOTAL thats all!
ive gone from 280lb-230lbs due to the bros advice on this site, advice on a site that you seem to take for granted and something that should be given freely....what these guys are telling you is GOLD and will keep you alive and lifting for many years, but you could give a fuck!
neg for abuse your gone when a boss gets here you troll go to bed kid its past your bed time
I figured I'd be banned sooner or later after this post, so fuck you too
hahahaha your so pathetic lmao quick i think mummy is calling you for dinner..... hurry up or its bed early for a week and no tv lol
Good one dude. Rest easy knowing that kids in 6th grade come up with better insults than that.
And by the way, bro, for future reference, no one will ever take someone seriously who can't spell things correctly, use proper capitalization, or punctuation (if you even know what that means)
hahahaha cry baby wah wah hahahah pathetic you spelt half that wrong now run along boy your mums upset
I actually didn't spell anything wrong, you're just a retard.
Haha I laughed at this
Sounds like a troll....
no stats no service.... maybe try showing some respect and lose the attitude ...... no noob hate around here just safety precautions.......
I don't have an attitude man, I've just seen a lot of nasty comments to guys with dumb ideas like mine.
bingo bro...it is a dumb idea and you know it
You have zero stats posted...the fact that you have no diet and basically are saying eff it the AAS will do the work makes me realize you need to do more research...my best advice to you is fill out stats before I say anymore and don't start a cycle until you do way way more research...I may be able to help steer you in the right direction but not without stats first
Age: 19
Weight: 155 lb.
Height: 5'8"
BF: About 10-15%
I don't think this will do magic. As a matter of fact, I work out like a machine, for years. I was looking to this as a boost.
seriously...... you already got banned vinchenzo was your nam 19 ? no juice see ya
I've never been on this site before ? Never been banned.
I seriously hope youre KIDding me...if you spent 5 minutes on this site youd know no ones going to help you at 19...all I can say is don't do it!!!!!! you have a lot of natural lifting ability at that age and your weight is tiny! please don't think im being mean spend some time searching on this site about all the guys who have messed themselves up at a young age...
I was not aware. Seriously.
check this our this is your lucky day I will give you the advice your in need of:
1- step away from juice not even a joke
2- Diet, get it in check and your natty test will do the rest
3- Diet get in check
4- Diet
5- Diet
Work hard
at 19 this shit aint for you. you will kill your natty test and be stuck on TRT for life and your liver will be shot
yeah bro I try not to be short like some people...but please do your research...at 155lbs you don't need AAS you need a better diet I had a friend who always told me I eat all the time but I cant gain mass...I sat him down and wrote a diet out for 6 months (Adjusted it a little over time) and he went from 160-190 in six months...but trust me that tbol will just be a waste at your age save AAS for later in life bro and in the mean time lots of research...
and 155 at 15% if your trying to "shred" and "loose bodyfat" youll be 145ish at 10% you realize that means I can curl you doing 4x8s...Way Way more natty time at the gym bro...work hard...get your diet in check...in your case up intake of clean protein and carbs...and work your but off for at least 6 more years
What is Natty? You guys keep saying it!
Natural as in lift without AAS just go to the gym and do what everyone of us did at your age lift hard and put in the work...your natty or natural test level are through the roof at that age you can pack on a ton of muscle and save a ton of money by just committing to lifting...AAS is not some popeye the sailor man magic trick where your arms pop into cannons overnight the guys who you see who are huge and use AAS all lifted like it was their job...no their life before touching that stuff...you can easily hit 180-200 natural at you height
I thank the Lord I posted this thread. If it wasn't for the fact I posted it at this exact time I couldn't have gotten my money back and would've been stuck with this stuff. I appreciate you guys talking me out of this. Thanks guys. If you're willing to PM me and send me more info on AAS and more guides and such, that'd be great!
Thanks fellas.
19 and wants trt? wow. there was a 19 yo a few weeks back named vinchenzo asking same stuff who got ban his names vinny....... hmmm
yeah I hear ya bro...and I know hes going to get banned but I hope with all my heart ive changed his mind...and hell lift natty and then make a decision about AAS later and not eff up his life now esp on what I consider a shit cycle
You're probably right. I actually just cancelled my order. I'll stick to protein and possibly some creatine supplements instead. Safe stuff. I'm too young to mess with AAS I suppose.
Anything you recommend for supplementation at this age? I'm dying to gain some weight and increase strength. And in the future, what age is recommended for AAS usage?
Bro, with all due respect here, listen to treadn. He is being very helpful, and if u want another opinion, x2 to EVERYTHING he said. AAS usage isn't a light game. You need YEARS of experience and dedication, a dialed in diet, and even then it's not for everyone. If you are asking when to start at what age, no one will answer that, because at your age with your stats, that's not even a necessary thought. Look, you are 19, do this right. Research diets an workout routines, set your time and life around how you want to achieve your fitness goals, and put in the work. Another thing I would suggest, and don't take this the wrong way, is get off this site. All you will see here are pics and testimonials from guys who HAVE out the time in, and from the stand point of someone who is looking to make gains like yourself, the temptation can prove to be too much. Look at my stats: 6'3", 225lbs, roughly 10% at 31. I was 155lbs when I was your age. I did one cycle at your age, and I PROMISE you, from experience, you will regret it. I didn't have eroids or anyone to steer me in the right direction, I had an ox for a best friend who shot me up with Sust for ten weeks, gained 35 pounds, looked like a balloon because my diet was garbage, lost all of it because my friend the ox didn't have me do a PCT. Then I did my research, an stayed away for years, and built what I have on years of hard work and a few more cycles that I didn't know how to do. Now that I am older I wouldn't want anyone to repeat my mistakes, so do urself a favor man delete your account, do your reading and stay natty for a long long time. There is NO reason you can't put the size on over time and keep it all. Good luck
I loved this comment you've made. Very motivational. And I know exactly what you mean, the temptation of having a substance that would get you much larger at a quick rate is unbearable. But I did it out of impulse. I'm glad I didn't start experimenting with this stuff like I thought I would've. Glad people like you exist, to watch each others' backs. I applaud you, sirs.
If you don't get banned you can send me pm and I'll offer my advice. Natty training is much different from what you read in musclemag or Flex. Good luck with training naturally. Remember at your age, it's not a race. It's a journey from being a boy to man and nothing will teach the principles of being an adult (dedication, humility, determination, confidence and strength) better than the iron game
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That's why this site is here, to help each other bro...PM me if u ever need any advice but for now stick to hard work...nothing that's worth it is easy, remember that
he duznt deserve help after he tells members to get fkd.......
yeah man again I have gotten a reputation for trying not to be negative...im not really sure how you cancelled an order but that's none of my business...I mean honestly supplements are ok but it really comes down to diet...if you don't get banned before you read this mind telling me what your diet is and ill try to help you with that a little before you do get banned
Before you write some comment out on anger and noob-hate, PLEASE READ the WHOLE POST. Thank you.