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In the last week of PCT on a 12 week cycle. I figured this is a good time to post results and what I learned.
Goal: To learn how I react/respond to Testosterone and its sides. To learn to recognize the sides and how to combat them.
Secondary Goal: to gain approx. 10 lean pounds
Stats: 5'10"
175lbs
10% BF
Cycle:
Weeks 1-12 : 500mg Test. E. split Sun/Wed
Aromasin as needed
Weeks 14-18: Clomid 100/100/50/50
Toremifene 90/60/60/30
Aromasin 12.5eod/6.25eod/6.5eod/6.5e3d
During this cycle I wanted to experience the good and bad in order to build a baseline for future cycles. Around week four I started noticing strenght gains and weight increse. Week six I noticed sensitive nipples, I combatted this with Aromasin 12.5mg ED until no longer sensitive then dropped back to 6.25mg EOD. Once I leveled out I increased the Aromasin around Week 8 to experience low estrogen. About 5 days worth of Aromasin 12.5mg I started to have aching joints and felt rundown. Ceased Armosin at 12.5 ED and dropped back again to 6.25 EOD and leveled out. Around week 8 I also started seeing gains in the mirror.
Diet:
If any first timers out there are reading this keep a mental note of what I am about to say. Generally I can gain weight at 3200 calories. During this cyle I increased that to 3400-3500 calories a day spread across 6 meals about 2-3 hours apart. Macro split was 40/40/20. Protein consistent at 325g-350g /day.
I GROSSLY MISUNDERESTIMATED HOW AAS WOULD AFFECT MY METABOLISM. I was expecting a 10lb lean gain to end up after PCT at 185lbs. I DID NOT EAT ENOUGH. In hindsight I needed to bump calories to 4500/day and adjust any fat gain with cardio. I knew diet would make or break but I truly did not realize how efficient the body is at burning calories while on cycle. Anyway, that's why this was a learning cycle. That mistake won't happen again.
Results:
I definitely got an education of sorts. My weight went to 186 during cycle and once in PCT the water fell off I I ended up back to 175, but I did dropp 2-3% BF.
This ended up being more of a recomp. Like a 175 pounder needs to recomp. LOL
Looking forward to cycle number two after New Years. Sorry for the length, just thought some new guys may learn something.
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Glad you have a good attitude..but something went very wrong..you lost 100% of your gains that is not normal...are you sure your PCT is legit products ...you mentioned diet not worked out correctly...was sleep or stress perhaps an issue as well?...I did short oral/Test prop cycle for my first .gaines of about 15lbs and kept almost all of it!..I am about to start true long duration cycle and would be LIVID if all I got was 0lbs after pct..I mean shit not even 5lbs..something was wrong..diet..lifestyle..bunk gear..bunk pct....health issue?
PCT wasnt finished qhen I wrote the above. I have since finished at 176 with a 2-3% decrease in bf. So net gain was about 6 pounds. I am good with that considering I was looking at this cycle as more educational experience than bodily effect. I believe the salt intake was my mistake which drove up water weight.
How was pct with torem? do you feel you recovered quick?
Hit a sluggish spell about two weeks in Pct. I now have a week left and feeling better than ever. anxious to see how bloods turn out
Not being a dick..but you said you lost all your gains..obviously pct was shit!
keep us posted I'm running torem in my up comming pct
I about the same as you a little taller and getting ready to run the same exact cyle with the exception of the ai, Im running adex. This was an interesting read glad you posted.
Cool. Double down on food.
I have had my gear for a while now but I continue to learn new things so I keep delaying. Food being one of the big ones. Water was not a bigy for me as I live in a hot dry climate and drink in excess of a gallon naturally every day. It has been a struggle to get myself up to the necessary food intake so I have slowly increased I have been hitting about 4500 pretty consistantly now clean no salt wich was a struggle (I love salt) I have removed it from my diet and it is unbelievable now if I eat anything with salt content now it is just horrible protien intake is now @ 400 g every day with only 1 iso whey 1st thing in the morning and 1 cassein shake before bed. I want to get this right before I start and think Im about there. Really hoping mine goes well. Again thanks for this post.
Did yuo take any bloods mid cycle to see how things were looking? If so would be curious to see them.
No bloods mid cycle. Only before and again next week
tread-mGood post, appreciate the ability to try and learn here and let me add to what you learned a bit. If you dropped that much water post cycle, you were not doing something or many things right and I'll tell you some of the problems and maybe get you to answer a couple things.
To begin in trms of the water satement. If carrying that much water you were likely not drinking enough water, cosuming too much salt (the binder for the water) and not working in conjunction with those 2 things to properly use the AI. I do have to respect the fact that you took the opportunity to play with the aromasin to find signs and learn from it knowing that will come in handy.. no mention of blood pressure which is a very good sign of how much water you are holding and when its too much, I take my bp daily to help in that arena of control.
Let me repeat something I use a lot, "cause and effect". The habits you have to make muscle gains in a cycle which include diet have to become a permanent thing, if the cause complety leaves, so does the effect so think about that here in the plost run . Also think , there are gains to be had in the post as well and focussing on that will at minimal help you solidify gains . You have much to learn but you are working at it with an open mind sounds like so good for you .+3
Would you say that the wait until wk 6 to start ai may have contributed to estro being high previous to signs showing and robbing some of the gains?
tread-mI would yes, its always hard to pinpoint if you have several things out of whack and also sounds like water intake was a bit low maybe not enough salt control etc. Its like learning anything though , maybe the loss turns into a big gain just through experience.
Thinking back. I tried to keep my water intake around a gallon a day. I did not however avoid the salt like I should have. As far as Pct and solidifying gains, I started getting decent strength back this week. It fell of with the water the first week and a half of Pct. I been pushing hard again this week and feel the better for it. Thanks for all of you guys comments.
Thank you for accenting how important diet is!
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But if your gains were all water weight than there is more going on, probably not enough water intake
Yeah, i knew diet was the end all, be all. Just needed to increase the macros. This is how I go about everything. I step in and get my feet wet then step back and analyze then its usually full bore. The wife says I didnt study this hard in college.
how much did you weigh before the cycle??
171