+ 1 FIRST CYCLE ADVICE!
Hi all,
New member here, looking to start my first cycle. I would appreciate your valuable input re: the cycle described below!!
First cycle is currently planned for a start in mid-August to coincide with the end of my current cut. The goal will be bulk cleanly (in terms of diet - fat gain still expected).
Given my stats it's obvious that I still have plenty of natural genetic potential left but have made the decision to go ahead with aas after plenty of research and thought. Have been considering AAS for over 12 months, actively researching + planning for 6 months.
Will be getting baseline blood work done in the coming weeks, as well as DEXA scan to confirm BF prior to going on cycle. Will not start the cycle until BF is 12% or lower.
Cycle is built around 250mg of test cyp pinned twice weekly (500mg/w). First pin will be 500mg to kick start test levels. Adex run from week 3 onward @ .25mg EOD to control estrogen. Considered Fina but the general indication I received was that it wouldn't be necessary for such a cycle. 40/40/20/20 Nolva for PCT. HCGenerate run from W5 onwards to end of PCT. Everything on-hand, plus spares prior to starting the cycle.
Cyp selected over enth simply due to the slightly longer half-life; there is a possibility I may need to make one or two short business trips on-cycle (unavoidable in my line of work) and I won't be able to bring gear across international borders.
More details:
STATS (UPON START)
Age: 25
Height: 6ft 0in(183cm)
Weight: 194lbs (88kg)
Body Fat: 12%
Years Training: 7 (3-4 solidly)
Goal: Bulking
AAS Experience: None - First Cycle
DIET
Body Type: Mesomorph
Macro Split: 30p / 50c / 20f (1.3g/lb protein)
Calorific Baseline: 2,910kcal @ 194lbs body weight
Calorie Surplus: Week 3-6 @ +500kcal
Calorie Surplus: Week 7-12 @ Up to +1,000kcal
Calorie Surplus: Week 13-14 @ +500kcal
Monitor BF % and adjust calories accordingly
3 x daily multivitamin
6g fish oil daily (plus other omegas in diet)
TRAINING
Lift 5 x weekly, each muscle group 2 x weekly
30m jogging 3 x weekly
ON-CYCLE
Week 1 Test Cyp @ 500mg first pin
Week 1 Test Cyp @ 250mg second pin
Week 2-12 Test Cyp @ 500mg/week split dose
Week 3-13 Adex @ 0.25mg EOD (Up to 0.5 ED if required)
Week 5 - 18 HCGenerate @ recommended dosage
POST-CYCLE
Week 15-18 Nolva @ 40/40/20/20mg ED
Additional Nolva on hand
PINS
25G 1in 3ml - Glutes (Primary Site)
25G 5/8in 3ml - Delts (If Required)
Extra needles for reusable vials (10ml @ 250mg/ml)
Alcohol swabs
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Thanks for all the input gents! Glad to have some confirmation - a shit tonne of effort went into bringing myself a bit up to speed....
Definitely looking to get bloods prior, during and after. Will start a log when this all kicks off and post results there for comment.
For the AI I'm planning to hold off on the adex until W3 or 4, but will run at a low dose from this point on to keep water weight and sides under control. I'd rather sacrifice a small portion of gains to be on the conservative side. Thinking I'll steer clear of the HCG personally - get very mixed feedback about it's use.
Any other opinions regarding adding clomid into PCT? I'm not against clomid, but have been seeing a lot of experienced guys posting recently that they're leaning more towards nolva + OTC's these days, hence the HCGenerate in my PCT stack. Nolva + clomid being more "old school". Thoughts?
This isn't elite fitness bro, we don't do the 12.5mgs of clomid ed with 500 dollars with of NTBM otc supps. We use what we know works and thats nolva and clomid. Clomid is extremely important, more so then nolva IMO but you still need to use both regardless. I just think clomid does a much better job at stimulating the pituitary into producing and releasing LH.
It's true that the elite fitness bunch push the NTBM supps - makes sense.
Might just play it safe and stack the nolva and clomid as you suggest... Big savings compared to the NTBM otc stuff is an added bonus.
You got your homework done smart! You will go far if you put in the effort.
Alright you got it about 95% down pat. Only thing you need to add it Clomid to your pct 100/100/50/50 and get some blood work done before to establish a baseline for your tests levels so when you come off and wanna see if you recovererd you can compare the new bloods to the baseline bloods and there's no guessing if your test levels are back. And also good just to double check that everythikf else looks good and your healthy. I would suggest getting blood work around week 6 on cycle so you know your test is legit, your ai is dialed in and the gear is not effecting you negatively. Besides that it looks good.
TrnAfanAdd some blood work if you did not have plans for it.
Everyone is different and I'm sure some people don't have any sides but a lot of people do their first cycle as only test. This way if they do have sides they know which compound gave it to them. Also, I wouldn't suggest starting an AI on day 1 as you run the risk of crashing your estro. Then you just feel like absolute shit for a couple weeks until the test kicks in. Stick with your plan of waiting. Just my 2 cents though
I agree with your comment about Ai....... personally i would just have it "on hand" and let the test do its thing with the added anabolism of estrogen........... HCG would be OUT and thrown in the bin.
Wow a mod just agreed with something I said. I'm actually learning haha! Thanks Viking
Wow man you really have done your homework to say the least, +1 for that. The average guy just starts pinning whatever whenever with no real plan in mind. The only things I could add or have personally done different. Is 1.5" 3cc for the glute, and run hcg from 1st inject @ 250iu Eod for the duration of the cycle and stopped on day of last pin of test, waited two weeks then started my serm.I personally used clomid.the other thing is,I started my AI on day of first pin, some say at a dose like that you don't really need an AI but I'd rather be safe than sorry. Since you are bulking I would say kickstart week 1-4 with dbol(wetter looking gains, but great strength) or Tbol(imo not as strong as dbol as far as strength gains but the gains you do get are more dry and "keepable" than dbol)I personally took tbol 20mg 4X daily. And my macro was 30p 60c 10f. Good luck bro keep us posted