First Cycle
Howdy Everyone -
Getting ready to start this - been sitting on this for a couple of months and I'm ready.
Just want to run this by y'all and get your input.
10 weeks worth is all I have at the moment
I'm gonna use what I got and that's 2 vials of test-cyp 250/10 and 1 Deca 300/10
I'm planning on 500/wk Test and 300 week Deca
Monday 250/150 and Thursday 250/150 Test/Deca= 500/300 - weeks 1-10
.5mg Arimedex EOD during week
.5mg Caber M&TH - should this be taken immediately or hold off a few weeks because of the time it takes the Deca to get in the system and elevate the prolactin
Do I even have to use N2Guard since I'm not using orals? Would it benefit even though? or should it be used PCT? Do I need to take all 7 capsules or can it be lessened because the cycle isn't too hectic.
For PCT I have Clomid and Tamoxifen
Weeks 13-16 Every day
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Tamoxifen 40/40/20/20
If I have missed anything here - correct it
or if you have any input - say it
Thanks for your help
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Definitely what everyone else is saying drop the deca and maybe drop to test a little too. As for the AI don’t take till you start seeing the sides or feeling them as I learned the hard way years ago. I started getting sensitive nipples and did 0.5 arimidex EOD for a week and it crashed my oestrogen. Was too much EOD for me I know every ones different but personally I wouldn’t take unless absolutely necessary and just keep track of how much your body is handling. Save the deca for your next cycle with a test base as ul know how you react to the test.
Great advice - I just read up on the Ai this morning as I had questions about the aromatization and why would I need to take an AI right at the beginning EOD "as prescribed by bro science" when there firstly is no or very little aromatization happening with the first pin of test and it surely hasn't ramped up to "alert" levels; and secondly like you said, I don't know how my body is going to respond (react) - so it seems to me that if I started taking the AI right off then I am already prepping my body to start in an Estradiol deficit - potentially.
You might not even need to AI pal I didn’t on my first couple of just test cycles but I did when I added deca to the test.
I would NOT use Deca on your first cycle, you need to be getting use to massively elevated test levels compared to what you have been accustomed to all your life. That in itself you will find very different at first and you need to know how you tolerate it. Deca is a very strange compound, I for one do not like the feeling of it. But I do like the feeling of NPP. I'm saying this because if you run Deca and Test as your first cycle you may find it intolerable - this could be because of either the test or deca but if you run both you will not know which one is problematic for you. 19 nor's are often the hardest for people to tolerate mentally so get use to the test first at whatever level you decide to go with
Thanks. Good advice. I'll do some more reading up on Deca while I'm on the test cycle which I'm starting Monday.
Cycle 1 = test only.
Got it - I'm on board.
TricepatopsRusty answered already first cycle should always be just test. People don't realize just how much a little bit of test on first cycle with proper training, diet and etc you can make some serious gains. Don't waste money on other stuff on first cycle save it for the next time. You need to know how the body reacts to test. Then you have a better idea how to dose AI and test properly and figure out in future cycles what sides you get from what.
Thats what I needed - so much pressure out there, lol. I surely appreciate the feedback and the grounding from both you and Rusty -thanks.
So test only it is - I don't even think I need 500/week - seems like a lot for a first cycle - but what about this protocol.
A very simple beginner cycle is to make use of either Testosterone Cypionate or Enanthate for 8 weeks. A simple pyramid style cycle sees you starting low, increasing the dosage in the middle, then decreasing again. For example: 125mg / 250mg / 375mg / 500mg / 500mg / 375mg / 250mg / 125mg (each is per week). PCT should be started 2 weeks after your last injection at 50mg/day Clomid for 3 weeks.
It blows my mind I still hear 500mg of testosterone per week is a starting point for first time exposure to Anabolic Androgenic Steroids!!! Where did this number even derive from to begin with? I personally fell into this dogma of 500mg per week and that was in fact my first injectable cycle I ran. I also ran it for a stereotypical 12 weeks too…What happened on my first cycle? Well rapid weight gain the first few weeks topping out at a 20lb increase, then I stopped the cycle and lost 10lbs. Then off cycle for 16 weeks resulting in subnormal test levels trying to recover my HPTA..another issue gone wrong. Fast weight gain, high blood pressure, water retention blurring fat/muscle gain, and then rapid drop off. It blew mind initially with rapid progress, but the time off was physically and mentally challenging to see gains stop and even what I thought was gain lost, fat gain come on and feel an array of hormone derangement. What should a starting point of testosterone be? We know that true testosterone replacement is around 100-150mg of test per week. Anything above this level is going to supraphysiological levels for most. For many stepping into 200-250mg per week is going to bring their test levels to 1000-1500 ng/dL. This can double testosterone levels, trust me you can grow very well off this. A classic study looking at graded dosing of testosterone to determine the effects on body composition, muscle size, strength. 125mg has shown to be able increase lean mass and maintained fat mass, this is HRT levels as their serum test levels were 570ng/dL on average and still increased fat free mass by 3.4kg, this is 8lbs of fat free tissue! The 300mg group serum level was 1345ng/dL, increased fat free mass by 5.2kg and decreased fat mass by 0.5kg. The 600mg group serum level was 2370 ng/dL, increased fat free mass by 7.9kg, and decreased fat mass by 1.1kg. So, tell me you cannot grow tissue on 125mg of testosterone? Here is the proof. Where is the starting point…200mg of testosterone per week. We can then assess the inter individual’s response and then milk everything we can result wise before incrementally increasing testosterone on an as needs basis over time. This won’t’ be a 12-week cycle either. This will allow a runway for progress over months and months while at the same time managing estrogen side effects, blood pressure and lab derangement unlike the typical 500mg test start point on week 1.
And here is where a lot of those tests fell flat on their face....Starting test levels of the individuals. If someone is already at high levels of natural test i.e 900-1100 and they inject anything less than 300; they will just end up on the high normal level they are already at naturally. Also some people will respond incredibly well to synthetic test and their levels will be higher than others. Not everyone is the same when it comes to numbers. We see examples of that every day here, 2 people on the same sources test; both using the same amount each, and one has much higher levels then the next. BUT if you have others that actually get a blood test and see where they land naturally, they can grow on smaller amounts especially if they fall in the lower range. I bet 500 a week was parroted as a safe bet because lets be honest; less than 10% of people who start their very first cycle or subsequent ones actually get bloods drawn first. So what better way to catch all than to say 500 is the best start? Just proves a point of getting a blood test, checking your levels, and plan accordingly.
Yeah, if you're full, eating more food isn't going to sate you as well as if you hadn't eaten for 7 or 8 hours. Im glad I got my blood work done b/c I wanted to know what my baseline was and I'll be able to measure off of that.
Im 51 and currently last Test lab is 49.5/460 which compared to 6 months ago which was 12.4/731. So we'll see but at least 'm not going in blind here. Thanks for the response.
I've noticed such a big difference on applying the less is more logic.
I sure appreciate that - I was just thinking that this morning - and there's no hurry - if you can get good results with just what you need why overdo it.
Yup - more manageable = contentment has a nice ring to it. Thanks for the info and bringing it back down to earth. I have no problem starting at 200/week and "we can then assess..."
RustyhookerBad planning. Problems will rise and which one caused it? Take a look at GROUPS....first cycles explained
I gotcha - I appreciate that.