posted Mon, 12/12/2011 - 10:11
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first contact - Provi + wins?
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Hi friends,
Option A) wins + Proviron thought to use for my first cycle with 4 weeks think that would be fine? or for 6 weeks? would winny 30mg Proviron ED and ED 1 capsule.
Option B) 6 weeks: 400 m EW Cypio own for 2 with 100 front load ... Total testo 700 in first 2 weeks + winstron 30mg ED?
PTC: Clomind + Nolva(Tamoxifeno).
I have read and good as it is a weak cycle necesiaré no HCG. Opinions? % Fat and 17% down will do nothing until you reach the 12% bone in 2 months or 3.
I welcome your views. Thx!
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Thanx friendS!!!!
read and read more to see what types of courses around here, thanks for your time!
TrueMass ^^
I've been training since age 18. I've been reading about steroids 10 months ago, I posted the cycle of Proviron + wins because I had read in a couple of forums that first contact was not bad, but also knew that in a good cycle should never miss the testo that is why the approach to questions A and B.
I think one thing to say that the cycle B is completely wrong and the other without any sense that this "good" but not for a beginner like me. Not that I want cycle makes 1 or 2 months ... It carries reports and reading a long time.
sgtstedankoMake sure you Read, how to run a cycle!!! Then read my post; Basics for the beginners here at eroids!!! All the info you need is there. I would personally hold off until you are 24-5 brother, and do more research. But it sounds like you're sold on it already I did my 1st impatiently at 18; and really wish I would have waited until right about now at 35 when I seem to need it more everyday. Honestly IMO, age, and Especially proper technique & most importantly diet has a lot to do with determining what your gains are going to be.
Nasty81NateThis is a good guide for short cycles:
http://www.silownia.net/steroids/a/12221
interesting! thx ;)
This explains a lot, guys hes only 22. At your age bro you have no bussiness using any form of AAS. You risk some nasty irreversible sides by running juice at your age. Hold of for a couple of years in the mean time you can get your diet in check and reserch on how to run a first cycel. From your post and bf% i can tell you need to work on both.
sgtstedankoI agree completely... Seeing as how as a male, your natty test doesn't start to level off until you're 25 or so. AAAHHH, The impetuousness of youth. I was there at 18 : )
In my opinion, the age does not necessarily matter. I also started at the age of 22, after having trained natty for 6 years and having reached my genetic potential. I wanted to compete.
Before I ever even touched any AAS though, I read books, forums, profiles and anything I could get my hands on. I learned about most compounds, how they worked, what reaction they produced in the body. After I was done, it was as if I had studied this shit, kind of like roid-university.
And no, I never posted in a forum wanting to be spoonfed. The info is out there for those that are willing to put in the time and effort to find it. I never had any problems as a result from my cycles, because I knew how it needed to be done.
But yeah, you are right...This guy needs to work on other issues before tackling roids.
I understand were your coming from bro but, as we all now no to people are the same. Just because it worked for you at that age does not mean it will for him. To big of a risk to take imo, plus we can both agree he has got a lot of reserch to do. Also he should really get his bf closer to single digits. So why not play it safe and take the next few years to do just that.
sgtstedankoWhy not combine both your options to create a better cycle!? So test cyp & pro 12 weeks. W/ 30-50 mg winny ed the last 6 weeks. You really need to research, research, research, get everything for your cycle & pct, w/a little extra of everything just in case & most importantly get your diet in check 1st brother...
total amounts of macros Thx!
Energy: 3509.4 Kcal.
Carbohydrates: 357.2 g.
Fat: 137.2 g.
Protein: 217.8 g
Are you really suggesting to someone with 17% BF to take winny towards the end of the cycle?
And proviron too? Both of those are just a complete waste of money in his case, he should have spent it on more test amps.
I will do nothing to lower the 12% if you have not read it correctly friend. I have reported good by other sites and suggest that's not bad to do this "cycle" of Proviron + wins in a first contact to gain something and easily maintain profits.
Thanks for your opinions!
Eric090585porv + winny does NOT = cycle bro...! sorry! i'm guessing those other boards are fulla 18-19 year old kids right?
LISTEN to the people here man...
first cycle = TEST E 500mgs EW for 12 weeks..pretty standard. nolva for PCT. you WILL get amazing gains from this...your proposed "cycle" will prolly only shut you down..
may i suggest another 6 months a year of good ol fashion reading to educate yourself before you start fuckin around with AAS. not being a dick here...but you're on the road to PERMANENTLY fucking yourself up!
Nasty81NateWhy you even ask for advice if you had already made your mind up on what your gonna do? Basically you just made me waste my time on your stubborn ass, please don't post if you don't give a shit for what people with way more experience have to say.
Eric090585X2
If you trust the info from other sites more than here, then you probably can't be stopped.
However, I am personally telling you that these two cycles are complete rubbish. If you don't believe anyone here, that is fine.
If you use the search bar on the top right, you will find threads regarding both winny and proviron. I posted info in most of them. If you research correctly you will find that what we are telling you makes sense.
And whatever forum suggested these 2 cycles to you, I would advise you to never go there again.
sgtstedankoI don't read good; thought he used to be @17% now single dig. Anyway, should have doesn't matter when he already has the winny & pro? Imo, he Should've researched for another year, but. Prob won't do another for a while, he already has the pro & winny, & he should prob just use everything that he has make this one, and go from there.
....I have oral winstrol in the drawer along with other things that are more for PTC. Could we also get the first few weeks winstrol as a kick start? or strongly discouraged? Thx!
Eric090585someone asked me to get him a 'cycle' of winsrol a couple of months ago...i declined cuz that was all he was planning on doing.. i don't encourage people to do dumb shit...
Nasty81NateM buddy is wanting me to give him my winny pills to run at the end of the cycle he's currently on, which is his first cycle. I said "Hell no bro, not from me."
Nasty81Nateleave the winny alone, I got some in my drawer too and guess whats it staying there til I'm absolutely ready for it, not a second sooner. Do a test only cycle like I suggested, quit trying to do more than that. Test is a potent ass compound, it will work wonders on the human body.
Bro your way over your head her. First cycle is always test only and start with listing your stats first.
These are the worst cycles I have ever seen. There is absolutely NOTHING to be gained from them.
A beginner cycle is and has always been the same: a long ester testosteron for at least 12 weeks.
Eric090585AGREED! at first i though he was being a smart ass...but nope! this dude has a LOT of reading to do before he starts pinning...
Nasty81NateFirst cycle= 500mg/wk of Test E or Cyp for weeks 1-12, PCT of Clomid for weeks 14-18. Have armidex on hand is case of sides, take at .25mg EOD when sides to appear. Its that simple bro. Drop all the other compounds. You can get big and strong, while lowering your body fat% off of this cycle with a a good, clean diet. Diet is the path to the goals your trying to obtain. Research more bro, those cycles up above are terrible.