-1 Deca and tren enthate?
EDIT: This is a discussion, i already know that running the two 19's is frowned at mainly because i do too, however there are people who have ran them and done well, there us quite a bit of info of them being ran together and some of it conflicts. I wouldnt be running these if i decide to for months. So lets have experiences and discussion please.
Im interested in knowing if there's anyone with good experience running a test, deca and tren cycle. This is something I'd be interested in doing in the future at say 500-600mg test enthate pw, 300mg deca pw, 200-400ng tren enthate pw (200mg first to see how i respond)...obviously all pct, ai and caber will be included.
But is it ok to run the two 19 nors side by side? Ive read it would be for quite a long cycle, i am unsure though and other people opinions and personal experience will play the main part in my decision. Cheers
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knew you were on your way there. , with your bich cocky attitude.
Fucking troll !
absolutely not. you may as well put a gun to your hptas head and pull the trigger save the bullshit. you need to get yourself sorted out mate, from the sound of it you dont need to be worrying about this shit right now
RustyhookerEdit or not....its not gonna be discussed. Thats how it is. You want a cosigner.
Besides the long list of the problems spelled out below, try having your dick stop working for an extended period of time, for a dose of short term reality.
Very risky and complex.
Not much reason why anyone should need to do this.
Something that's far beyond what you should need at your stat anyways. Therefore, no need to even discuss it.
I find the subject interesting. I don't plan on performing brain surgery, but I still find neuroscience fascinating. What's wrong with a purely academic discussion?
RustyhookerAcademic discussions on advanced cycles causes lil kiddies to copy n paste. Theres adv groups for any type of chat.
" I wouldnt be running these if i decide to for months."
The OP's intentions are clear, this isn't discussing the topic for purely theoretical reasons.
If a 19 year kid posts on here asking, "theoretically what would happen if I took steroids." Do you think he would be given detailed information in benefits?
Edit: not to mention, the dudes less than 200 lbs. He shouldn't even require 19-nor's
I see. The science behind anabolic steroids is pretty interesting. The endocrinological aspect, certainly. I suppose it is pretty clear that the OP wasn't seeking academic discussion. That's my mistake.
I couldn't agree with you more about endo being very interesting. I've been reading quite a bit of peer-reviewed research on 19-nor's lately and dopamine agonists. So when I see people considering then that are in no way need of them, I become pretty negative about the situation and towards them. It seems that deca and tren are becoming the cool thing to young guys.
I agree with the guys below, stacking the two is sure to give you some nasty estro and progesterone/prolactin sides if your not an experienced user. And being that both of those compounds have long esters, that'd be just reckless. If anything npp/tren ace might be okay but only for the more experienced bodybuilders. But be ready to be on trt
I've done a lot of reading on this particular stack. Never done it myself, nor do I plan to. The risks have been explained ad nauseam. However, the recurring theme I notice when this topic is brought up is that most of the people who have ran it says it's just not that great of a stack, and one or the other would be safer and more effective.
I'm not sure why you were negged for starting a discussion. As far as I'm concerned, very few things are off limits to talk about. "Talking about" as opposed to advocating. +1
backonroidsI negged him as littrally 2 mins prior to this post he was hating on a guy for the same thing !
I gave him +1 back tho on a comment , just If I do it at top it's +2 lol
Not the same at all, he's cycle that i commented contained 5 different compounds...the only ai or pct in place was "dex" and he was only using that for water retention, he had no pct, no anti pro and the cycle was so crazy for him that i cant even remember what he was running, plus he had 0 muscle mass at all after a cycle...this however was a discussion asking if it could be done, i wont be running it and am currently running test enthate and deca, with ai, pct, caber, fairly decent diet and good training regime.
The fact i brought a discussion here on something that could only happen theoretically in about 8 months is completely different. My current cycle and pct, ai and the rest is fine. The similarities are hard to find..plus you negged me for something which positively effect my mind. Thats what eroids is here for.
But thanks to pretty much everyone who brought the views and personal experience because its a really good topic to cover, helped me and hopefully help some more.
backonroidsStop riding dick trying to get on your high horse now ! We've already cleared things up and I gave you your karma back wayyyyy before anyone started commenting - just because someone asked why don't think your in a crew .. SMH
I am im my place to respond to someone who isnt clarifying things correctly...crew? Come on! Come on you need to stop riding joystick...do you know what security, self worth and significance are? Because yours are being fed by an online world, get out the house. I definitely want nothing to do with this so called "crew"...omg, let me stop myself from cringing so hard and i can...oh shit...no i cant.
Whats up with you? Lonely friday night not gone tje way you imagined you fucking keyboard jockey, do me a favour get a councillor...you need that much more than the crew. Oh wait hold on, an online crew right? You pleb...my last post ever this one, i cant get away with the advice coming from the literal dregs like you. Now im off out, my girl will ride my dick...you keep typing.
backonroidsAwww bless , you where fine earlier now your Tren must have kicked in ... didn't get the advice you wanted so you getting offensive .
Aww your "girl " awww look at you all grown up ...
P.S No Friday night is lonely when your mum is cradling my balls as we speak
hey BOR he is being a little douce and acting childish there is no reason to stoop to his level, you can make him feel childish and 2 inches tall without giving him exactly what he wants. just some advice for you brother
backonroidsI know man , just hate people like him . Good looking out mate
Oh lol. You did have a great friday night i see. Yawwwn..
You and your bad arse posse, does this forum give you the feeling of wanted your childhood never?
backonroidsI have no idea why your being such a freak , scroll back and you where fine haha oh well
"just because someone asked why don't think your in a crew"- This flows out your mouth....and im being the freak.
You are really funny, a rib tickler in fact. Explain to me what you mean by "crew"? Do you mean you are part of an online crew? Whats that about?
You feed your significance and self worth by using this site...
backonroidsNo the fact you are a little bitch and where all fine , then once someone asks why you where negged you thought you'd try and be the big man ! Haha
Jelly belly fuck off now your boring - isn't your "girl there to ride your dick " or does she only stay for the hour she is paid for .
"Big man" on a forum...lmao
"Jelly belly"...really, lmao
"Where all fine"..."we're" as in the imaginary crew you talk of? Is this what your weekend has consisted of?
Honestly i knock this on to see how you take to bait now, "dont worry rusty" your crew says, "we'll give you a hug"?
Bockondole is appropriate for you, and regardless of what you say I'll still think that.
Take care rusty, good luck in finding a healthy balanced life. I'll switch back on tomorrow night to see how your doing bro
RustyhookerNot worth the headache bro. Let em figure out his errors.
Aw, don't go. This is so amusing to me.
is it ok to run the two 19 nors side by side......................... by side by side by sides by sides! The shut down issues as mentioned by Flash are really severe. Usually people miscalculate... run high amounts of both 19 nor's and test and lead to big estro issues. Balance needs to be achieved to make a good run. Let's say, you normally never run more than 500test/400 deca and have to manage sides- why would you run more than 500 test and 400 of the combined 19 nor's? an increase in doses = an increase in sides, its that simple.
This said, you can run less of both compounds or test and adjust accordingly, do your maths appropriately to figure what does/should work for you... but if you (logically) lower either compound, you will experience less of the benefits of either compound than your normal working doses (similar to when people use blends and dont actually calculate/reconcile based on what works for then, for an individual compound will be left wondering why the blend is so mild!)
There are much better ways to get synergistic effects from different steroids, primarily by combining those that have different binding affinities to receptors. There is science that backs this approach too, and it is important to take account of this. For example; Deca dick -- contrary to what a lot of people think re: prolactin etc., is caused by an imbalance between DHN and DHT, so taking a DHT based steroid like proviron can not only prevent the sides but add positive independent effects such as binding shbg and increasing free test. So now you have a test based cycle, with a 19 nor, and a dht based steroid, all providing independent effects - this is a synergy, it is logical, and it is proven to work/backed by science
It comes down to choices and opting for what is most optimal for a given cycle, not just stacking things because they have good effects in general. If you have the option of using 2 cups to contain 3 cupfulls of water, versus 3 cups for 3 cupfulls of water.... which would you choose?? Realistically you can choose either option, but with one option... that shit's going to overflow somewhere!
Great post.
It not only offers a logical explanation of pros/cons of the OP's question it shows that some on here can actually "share" rather than just jump on the flame-wagon.
More of this is highly beneficial to ALL of us on here rather than just ranting because some do not have the same research time in to answer their own question...thus the reason why it is asked in the first place.
Having to scroll through a bunch of BS flaming to get to a definite answer that is fact based and articulate gets tiring.
Thank you for a great post and I am certain the OP appreciates getting a solid answer.
A shining beacon of light, in an otherwise angry, testosterone-fueled and alpha dominated world
lol
I agree with you. The OP let it get to him though, best to take the licks and keep pushing for answers in a friendly way I guess
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backonroidsLove it ! +
haha cheers BOR
I was going to say; pint glasses and beer, but no doubt I'd get slaughtered for advocating drinking on cycle lol
backonroidsWell I'll drink to that ! Cheers ! Haha
I'm 5'9 and 224lb. Ive never ran Tren over 300mg a week, never ran Deca over 400mg a week AND I've never ran them at the same time.
So if we all know that it's 90% diet, why would you want to run that much gear? Do you think the gains will be that much better? and worth the side effects? I do not, I believe you will get great results with a small or medium amount of either compound by itself.
No looking at the sides mentioned here definitely not, I'm running deca at 300mg a week now and i do not think going over that is necessary. Tbh its potent at 300 i wouldnt go any higher...my diet is alright, like most it could be improved, but of course thats where your muscle is natty or aas.
Honestly in my head before looking further into this, they would be fantastic stacked...however lol. Completely destroying my natural testosterone for what could be years or indefinitely...definitely not, no way at all. Its just ive heard of people managing to stack them and "apparently" there good.
Great thing this forums here where you can have an adult conversation about it.
Im running decca at 600mgs im lowering it down to 400mgs this week lesson learned.
I honestly do feel like its just to much and not needed.
400mg of Deca is a great dose brother. That extra 200mg won't build that much more muscle, but it will add plenty of prolactin...
Shit I made gains from 250mg before. I also love tren but the side effects at even 100mg eod are bad enough. Couldn't possibly go any higher and expect to sleep at night or not kill random people.
If you only kill random people its ok as long as its not unrandom people lol
Ive done it twice.
Risk and sides not worth it.
It will likely mean trt for life and a world of shit.
I had too run two consecutive power pcts at massive doses 8 weeks 3 off then 8 again.
It included clomid,nolva, aromasin, hcg and caber aswell as a Tonne of natural supps.
I know roid noid and catalyst have done it.
Im not advising you anything coz i dont know you or your history.
I say dont do it.
Not worth it.
heavy shutdown
I got clipped for a year this way
fkn nightmare
+1 if i could and that sounds like chaos. That is seriously shut down, scary actually. Thanks for your experience.
backonroids-1 from me for being a hypocrite!! Jumping on the bad wagon on that lads cycle log and your just as dumb !
He had no pct, he used dex for water, no anti pro's, running about 5 different anabolic compounds...why would i be a hypocrite? All my pct and ai's, anti pros and diet are in place.
Come on yiu know your menstrual or really keyboard grandeous?
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RustyhookerPix? Stats? Priors? Goals?
My stats need updating...im just shy of 15st at 6 ft. I cycled years ago but had to stop. Currently on cycle and getting good gains at 7 weeks in.
I would be bulking on the cycle above, i like the lean bulk and strenghth tren would bring on a bulk, deca is great to have too for is growth factor and positives to bone and joints. Gf increase, red blood cell increase, collagen increase...i love deca.
Dont pay that much attention to me being new here, im not new to aas. My diets good and my ai, pct, anti pro will all be in place like they currently are.
What i want to know is the experiences of running the two 19 nors together, if after my reasearch on here and the web is good I'll go with it, if not I'll only use one.
Just to note i wouldnt post pics to this site, use my real name or anything that can breach my privacy. I could be on license....
RustyhookerDunno 15 stone. The double 19 is over your head. Theres simple stacks with less issues. And better gains.
backonroidsList you diet , BF % , actually cycles ran including pct