Drol + dbol ( doses lowered obviously) is supposed to be great for strength and probably size (which you'll mostly loose once you stop)
Dbol + var is good because var is one of the rare orals that works mainly by binding to the AR, so it's closest you can get to injecting (most injectables mainly work by binding to the AR, most orals by other effects) while not injecting.
Also if you wanted to do a dbol only cycle instead of injectables because your scared of injecting Then this game isnt for you.if your not willing to make that leap You wont retain any muscle that you put on in a oral only cycle. Like chapter said read all of the yellow stickies in the steroids/cycle/PCT sections of the forums and they will give you most of the information you need to do your first cycle
Here's his stats minus the bf ( critical info by the way )
Stats
Age: 23
Height: 188 cm = 6'2"
Weight: 87 kg = 195 lbs
BF:
Too much bodyfat will cause you nothing but problems. Your cycle history at this point is irrelevant because you're asking about an oral cycle only. So lets start clean. Nobody here will recommend an oral only cycle. Read all the stickies above highlighted in yellow. That's a great place to start. Your first cycle should be an injectable test e or c only so you can see how your body reacts to it. You will make significant gains on a test only cycle. You need to have an AI (anti estrogen inhibitor) on hand to help control sides. You need to have your PCT planned out and on hand. Before we go any further lets find out what your bf% is and do a little reading bro!
bad idea man you will lose all your gains ALL of them dbol must be run with test
my first cycle was dbol and you do make great gains But all the gains you see will be 100% gone in like 2 months after your last pill add some test and you wont regret it anyways i have been told first cycle should be test only i think that would be good for you pick up a bottle of test its better for your body to pin it than take the oral since dbol is liver toxic and you have to have milk thistle 6 weeks b4 you run the dbol fyi
I don't even think it'd take an entire two months. He's already on the ++ side of bf%. He'll bloat up, gain a bunch of water weight and increase his strength gains a bit for a few weeks. Then by wk 4, he won't see much of an increase in gains anymore and be close to his cycles end.
He'll drop it all faster then he gained it. Probably in reverse; Strength, water/bloat.
Good luck with that.
There are a plethora of people in multiple communities (for bodybuilding/powerlifting/AAS) that will urge against an oral only cycle. Many people have given it a shot and most (if not all) of them end with the same results. The users that have provided much of the advice that is common place, come from a long history of AAS experience. If common sense urges against it, you won't be the exception to the rule. Especially considering that you'll be going into it with a body not yet ready for any type of AAS.
I'm sorry. But hold off, do more research, gather more gear and start accepting the fact that if you want results that mean anything (with AAS), then you'll need to pin.
Drol + dbol ( doses lowered obviously) is supposed to be great for strength and probably size (which you'll mostly loose once you stop)
Dbol + var is good because var is one of the rare orals that works mainly by binding to the AR, so it's closest you can get to injecting (most injectables mainly work by binding to the AR, most orals by other effects) while not injecting.
cmonsterYa sorry new to the site but not the game bro. 5ft 9in currently 237lbs
cmonsterStats.
Ht 5"9
Wt 237 and bulking
First what is ur experience u really should post what u have done and stats r always good 2
??? Are those your stats? Conversion from kg to lbs is kg x 2.204 and cm to inches is cm x 0.393 oh and you should fill out your profile too bro!
Also if you wanted to do a dbol only cycle instead of injectables because your scared of injecting Then this game isnt for you.if your not willing to make that leap You wont retain any muscle that you put on in a oral only cycle. Like chapter said read all of the yellow stickies in the steroids/cycle/PCT sections of the forums and they will give you most of the information you need to do your first cycle
A good read for a beginner:
http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-steroids-questions-answers/77975-ster...
Here's his stats minus the bf ( critical info by the way )
Stats
Age: 23
Height: 188 cm = 6'2"
Weight: 87 kg = 195 lbs
BF:
Too much bodyfat will cause you nothing but problems. Your cycle history at this point is irrelevant because you're asking about an oral cycle only. So lets start clean. Nobody here will recommend an oral only cycle. Read all the stickies above highlighted in yellow. That's a great place to start. Your first cycle should be an injectable test e or c only so you can see how your body reacts to it. You will make significant gains on a test only cycle. You need to have an AI (anti estrogen inhibitor) on hand to help control sides. You need to have your PCT planned out and on hand. Before we go any further lets find out what your bf% is and do a little reading bro!
Lots of good quality advice coming from you lately. +1
Thanks bro I'm just paying it forward!
Go for it bro......
Ok his stats are
Stats
Age: 23
Height: 188 cm
Weight: 87 kg
BF:
Now im assuming this is going to be his first cycle based on his proposed idea
You have much to lean...
Stats & previous cycle history?
BOOOM!... thank you robbo +3
Darron614Test only first cycle!
JuiceFreakbad idea man you will lose all your gains ALL of them dbol must be run with test
my first cycle was dbol and you do make great gains But all the gains you see will be 100% gone in like 2 months after your last pill add some test and you wont regret it anyways i have been told first cycle should be test only i think that would be good for you pick up a bottle of test its better for your body to pin it than take the oral since dbol is liver toxic and you have to have milk thistle 6 weeks b4 you run the dbol fyi
I don't even think it'd take an entire two months. He's already on the ++ side of bf%. He'll bloat up, gain a bunch of water weight and increase his strength gains a bit for a few weeks. Then by wk 4, he won't see much of an increase in gains anymore and be close to his cycles end.
He'll drop it all faster then he gained it. Probably in reverse; Strength, water/bloat.
Good luck with that.
There are a plethora of people in multiple communities (for bodybuilding/powerlifting/AAS) that will urge against an oral only cycle. Many people have given it a shot and most (if not all) of them end with the same results. The users that have provided much of the advice that is common place, come from a long history of AAS experience. If common sense urges against it, you won't be the exception to the rule. Especially considering that you'll be going into it with a body not yet ready for any type of AAS.
I'm sorry. But hold off, do more research, gather more gear and start accepting the fact that if you want results that mean anything (with AAS), then you'll need to pin.
JuiceFreakhe will learn the way i did dbol only cycle equals no real gains .....