-1 Cycle suggestions build
Hello,
My name is Laurence, 25yo. I weight 74.5kg with a length 179cm. My BMI is 24+/-.
I go to the gym 4/5 times a weak, for 5 years now.
I drink a protein shake everyday. Use BCAA recovery in the gym.
After a while not gaining much, I did a cycle of 6 weeks with an ANADROL.
The second one an ANADROL combined with an ANABOL. All are oral steroids.
Now I want to do another cycle.
The steroids I got now are:
- ANADROL (ANDROLIC) 50mg,
- ANABOL 10mg,
- METHYL-1-TEST 10mg,
- OXYMETHOLON 50mg,
- WINSTROL 50mg.
Which should I use in which cycle? So which combination after/before which one in multiple cycles, or one?
I was thinking :
METHYL-1-TEST improves the muscle mass, water retention. WINSTROL should be taken with a water retention drug ( METHYL-1-TEST/ANADROL ), it improves the muscle quality, power and condition. Also stimulation of an early withdrawal of fluid from the body. and improves the appetite. So I can drink more protein shakes.
OXYMETHOLON improves the protein syntheses, so good with WINDSTROL, cause of the appetite.
What would should I do?
Thanks in advance!
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Only your 3rd cycle!!!!!!!
You need to drop the whole thought of cycling and focuse all you attention to Diet and RESEARCH. Oral only cycles are never a proper cycle. You went from an oral only cycle now to Methyl-1test and why.......
Your asking us what you should do well what you should do is research research research. There is no need for all them to run a proper cycle in which you can make great gains from. Ever heared the term keep it simple stupid now I'm not implying your stupid by no means.
All you need is a simple basic cycle of TestE or TestC at 500mgs a week and you could gain tremendously. I just saw that you were only 25yrs old so forget everything I just said above and let your natural test shine. Get your diet in check and push hard in the gym and you will grow. In a year or 2 after you've pushed as hard as you can and gained all you can naturally then come back and rethink PED'S. BUT in the mean time gain some real knowledge of a proper cycle and a correct PCT to help you recover. There is plenty of knowledge to be learned here if you will just take the time to search it out and learn.
Forget about " more protien shakes"... you need real food and LOTS of it.. no more cycles or " an anadrol" or whatever else u have gotten your hands on. You will never see 180 lbs unless you start eating waaaay more. Im 5 inches shorter than you and managed gain more than you weigh off creatine and whole eggs, and loads of carbs... not trying to be a dickhead but your not ready to run juice and if it comes to a point that you are you shoukd be at least 25 to 30 lbs( preferably more than that) heavier and need to re learn everything someone told you about how to use these hormones safely and effectivly...
Glad to see that you seem to be listening to what’s being said here. Far too many snowflakes come here and get their pride hurt and throw tantrums.
Get your diet and gym where they need to be and continue your research and asking questions. This stuff takes time. Years in fact. Be patient and you’ll be pleased with what you’ll achieve. Good luck.
Thank you, I'll keep improving my knowledge, before being stupid and do shit like this haha.
Have already changed a lil in my food schedule, and quit jogging, now I think I'll gain.
If you cant bulk a bit without food now...., you cant do it with all the drugs in the world
That is one hell of an oral cycle. lol
lol again
Not going to pile it on, but everything below is correct. There is literally nothing positive or even remotely worth considering doing in this "cycle". Nothing good will come from it, no gains made will be kept, you will crash your natural testosterone and likely grow tits in the process.
Oral only cycles are shit. Yeah, they let you feel cool by saying that you are on steroids, but that is it. Although you are getting flamed, consider yourself lucky for at least gaining the opportunity to make an informed decision about how to move forward. Not saying that you have to, or will make the wise choice- but at least if you do go down this rabbit hole of shit you will be making the educated decision to do so.
Edit* OK, so I lied at the start of this post and did pile it on... But there is no way to lightly state how bad of an idea this is
Good to know. I did a few cycles similar to this over a decade ago when very similar products were legally sold over the counter and marked as "prohormones", so I am speaking from experience.
You blow up and feel great for about two weeks, then your natural testosterone production bottoms out and there is no synthetic testosterone to replace it so you feel like asshole, eventually come off and any gains you made vanish while you are trying to restart your natural testosterone production.
Net negative effect every time. Definitely making the smart choice backing off of this one
I understand what you mean and you statement. I know what to do now, happy to see a community that helps.
RustyhookerYour stats are horrible. Food and gym needs help
6ft....160...
Short, but clearly haha
If you have a fear of needles this is not for you. Period. End of story. Do it right or dont do it at all. The complications youre goung to put your body through far outweight the minimal gains you will get from shitty oral only cycles.
Yet again another individual who's done ZERO research on their own except i see you did a nice little steroid profile search. Your thoughts are skewed on anabolics in general. They are not a supplement from GNC! I see youve ran some dbol and oxy cool, but you honestly have no clue what you're doing. Your food is minimal no wonder you werent gaining.
I imagine that with all those orals you probably don't have any on cycle support, liver protection, ancillaries, and of course PCT. I dont care if you run anavar only with no test base you still need to protect yourself and use a post cycle.
The advice below is very valid! Use your damn head and think to yourself "is this smart?" No one will cosign this nonsense. Educate yourself on what is going in your body. You're going to do what you're going to do we cant stop you youre a grown man. That being said think "should I?"
I see, I understand, I work use PCT supps. Multiple for on and after the cycle.
Dunno if its smart, I think everyone agrees here, is going for max result. I hate needles so use orals... but I think it was save with protection.
Ok, glad you see the light so to speak. I do have a question though just to clarify my position.
For the sake of being trivial what organs do you see need the most protection when using orals aside from the liver?
Out of milk thistle, TUDCA, and NAC which compound/combination is most effective in preventing liver damage?
I only ask because cycling orals this should all be a no brainer.
As for needles, yes! Needles suck! Who actually enjoys pushing a 1.5" 25 gauge pin in their body? Answer: 95% NO ONE does. Now there are those few sick individuals that get off on it it, my hat's off to them lol if you would considerat least doing a sub q inj of test this would be much more easy on pinning as long as you spread out the amount of oil.
Good luck on your cycles.
Thank you!
Not to hijack this, but my body flat out refuses sub-q oil injections. I have tried a few times, even as little as .2 ml and still ended up with a large painful welt that after 10 days or so I ended up draining with a 20g pin and 5cc syringe. Fucking .2 ml of oil resulted in 3.5 ml of nasty, pink slime shit under the skin. Three attempts, 3 different oils, all at or below .5ml of oil. Same result every time. I have just accepted that my body will only take IM. I wouldn't go so far as to say that I enjoy pinning, but I don't particularly enjoy it either. First couple of jabs on my first cycle were flat out terrifying though
No please do sir, this is a discussion and while sub q does fine with me its interesting that it doesnt for you. God definitely made us all different! Wow that is crazy though.
Well for the op i hope he at least tries something other than orals. He will see a difference in his physique thats far more qualitative than a few weeks of orals.
I couldn't agree more and I would strongly recommend that OP at least try sub-q when he is at the point where he is physically and mentally ready to run a proper cycle. I wish it worked for me, but like I said I have tried every way imaginable and just accepted that my body isn't having it. I have no issues pinning GH and peptides sub-q but oils are a no-no for me.
RustyhookerI wouldnt advise it.
Scared of a little needle ? PPG is telling you right.
If you stack all those oral steroids together the only thing you will get is kidney failure. Steroids do not make you gain weight, they allow you to use your nutrients more properly. But the fact is you’re not eating the correct nutrients as it is. You need to adjust that first. Anadrol is for when you’ve already maxed out and you are nowhere near that. Trust me, I’m 45 pounds heavier than you in 1 inch shorter.
Plus, orals are for either a kickstart or a finisher before a show. You’re not going to keep any of those gains.... They’re not building any lean muscle. They make you look cool for a couple weeks and then you go back to being skinny. Although at your weight, even with Anadrol you’ll still look skinny.
You need a complete macro count per day.
How many grams of protein per day do you eat?
How many carbohydrates do you eat per day?
How many grams of fat you eat per day?
If you honestly want to get big, you’ll answer each one of these questions.
Yea I get that, thank you!
I've made a list on my avg meal per day, 3k+ cal.
252 carb - 186 protein - 85 fat.
But I'm gonna quit jogging... I think thats it
Bro you need WAY more food than that
NotNatural23hate to be negative but don't do that cycle. First get diet dialed in and if you plan on a future cycle please educate yourself more cause I don't see any AI on hand or any plan of a PCT.
NotNatural23first off A50 and oxymetholone are the same thing you have them listed twice so 100 mgs of anadrol. Just a bad idea in general you should really research more and when you are older and more educated then co.e back with an idea. Alot of people probably think what your suggesting is trolling or a joke cause it is such a bad idea. I won't joke around cause I am pretty sure I got hit hard for a guy trolling about some crazy cycle that I don't even think IFBB would use.
Uchibah458Orals only are a waste of time and is not too smart to do, health-wise, specially multiple orals. Get your diet dialed in and RESEARCH until you put on some more quaity weight and get over your fear of needles, or completely forget about AAS. Good luck.
And until you track your calories a day you will never gain weight. Whatever your doing now is not working. You are eating a lot less than you need to to grow. Get your diet right like people told you and start gaining weight first. No steroid will help you grow without calories and training. And you need them to be perfect. Or absolutely nothing will happen and you will think your gear is fake because you didn't end up looking different. Food for thought
Listen this just advice. Your liver and kidneys are going to be strained alot!! Do you plan on doing bloodwork every month?
You are putting your health in jeopardy by running orals. The benefit does not outweigh the risk? Be smarter! Slap yourself. Now get back to reading and gain information and rethink
I agree, I can test my blood every month if I need to.
The thing is, I hate needles, mostly to inject myself. Any tips?
You make a decision. Stay natural or use different things first
Get over your fear and learn how to properly inject yourself one time a week. Long acting testosterone, enanthate or cypionate. Study first cycle posts here in search bar. Injecting testosterone is the best way to use it and safest in every way. Do not take orals like skittles because you will fuck your body up. Get serious and read like a savage...its time
So the liver/kidney protection supplements wont work or? Dunno how to get over the needle shit. If it really has to... I should try
Honestly orals are best utilized by the veterans of anabolics.
Oral anabolics give fast temporary effects unless your taking testosterone so it's a bad decision. They maximize gains from everything else you do. Great for competitions. Not good at all for you and by themselves. You will be guaranteed acne, hair loss, estrogen problems, and you will gain fluid and look a blown up balloon. Not the look to go for and they are hard on liver and kidneys
Ask yourself...does this seem like fun or a good idea???
Also, oral only cycles are shit
Th effect is less or what?
Much. Oils are in your system 24/7 growing new muscle constantly, orals you have to take around the clock if you want them to do the same. Also your testosterone tanks when you take anabolics so if you aren’t shooting at least a little test with it your pct is going to be harder and your gains will all disappear as soon as you cycle off. Estrogen will probably tank from the low test making it impossible to synthesize new muscle and wrecking your body’s ability to regulate cholesterol. Meanwhile oral AAS are the harshest on cholesterol so you’ll be getting a one-two punch to your blood lipids profile. Then there’s the liver stress from the alkylation. This is just what I thought of in about thirty seconds. There are many other reasons this is a bad idea.
Don’t do it.
Could you explain a lil more why your gains with anabolics go away after the cycle if you dont use pct?
So anabolics assist with muscle gains in many ways but the main way is a hormonal shift. Elevated androgens increase muscle size and help to burn fat if you’re eating right. When you don’t pct, and when you run a cycle without test, your primary hormone is severely repressed and so you basically have the OPPOSITE of a steroid cycle, right after your steroid cycle. You body is put in a state where it looses muscle very quickly and gains fat very easily. Also emotionally you will probably have a bit of a rollercoaster ride. Does this make sense? The best way I can describe it is that it has all the opposite effects of a steroid cycle. Which is terrible.
Ah in that way, didn't knew it would reverse the effect, cause of my main hormone being repressed. Thanks!
Yeah bro hate to be negative but obviously your diet is no good. Should focus more on what your eating and less on the supps.
This last year I eat more, but it aint possible to combine steroids and eat more? I eat pretty healthy tho, a lot of protein:
vitamin pills, 2 eggs a day, 1 banana, some yogurt, 2 white bread with peanut butter, bowl of oatmeal, much chicken with rise and broccoli, 1/2 shakes a day. No candy.
I also jog a lot, maybe I should quit that?
My wife eats more than that bro. I eat 8 eggs twice a day. More if I’m bulking.
Maybe you shouldnt take the lazy approach. Oh i eat this and that. Set your macros up and see the transformation of your life Yhea smarty pants maybe slow that jog to a brisk walk lol
I've made my list of what I eat per day avg. more than 3k cal. Quit jogging, lets make gains.
5'10 and 74kg , you need to eat more food and forget about steroids .
https://www.eroids.com/forum/training-nutrition-diet
Iknow, eating wont be the point, just the way to and how to eat. Thanks!