Cycle Advice: 18-24??
Check it out fellas: I absolutely love to take knowledge and pass it on to the next person. I'm a firm believer in that if you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day but if you teach a man HOW to fish you feed him for a lifetime. I will do my best to help anyone that sincerly wants it.
With that being said, if you're between the ages of 18-24 and not considering AAS because of a physical condition, don't send me contact messages or PMs asking me for cycle advice. My cycle advice for these age groups will always be to step back, focus on your diet and training program while your body continues to reach maturity. You want performance enhancers, there's plenty OTC ones that will add thermogenic effects, boost natty test, or speed recovery both between sets and workouts.
You fellas can take this as being an asshole, but truth in the matter is that this is the most solid advice and help that anyone can give you. Too many stories posted here and elsewhere of people that either started running juice too early in life, or ran it improperly, and wound up on trt or hrt. I spent the past year running juice completely the wrong way, because I listened to a guy that I know has been juicing for 20+ years. Years under the belt don't always signify wisdom or knowledge (which are different from one another). I just finished up my first true PCT, and I will be lucky if I have corrected my mistakes.. Time will tell.. And I started at the age of 30.
So, I say this with the utmost respect: WAIT and EDUCATE. Then when the time is right, you will be 90 miles ahead of the curve!
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Good read bro. It's also interesting to think about IFBB pros and how young they are starting too. Dallas McCarver turned pro this year at the North Americans at a whopping 21 years young. Another super young dude Justin Compton just won the heavy weight class at Nationals and his pro card, and arguably could have won the overall as well. He's only 24. Think about how young these guys were when they first started. Obviously spectacular genetics play a huge role in turning pro so young, but there's a lot more to it than that. I wonder if starting so early with effect longevity in their bodybuilding careers.
AnonYeah bro. I'm not discounting the capabilities with AAS. What I'm more concerned about is how easily influenced people can be, and how easily that can hinder someone physiologically. I am pro AAS. I think nothing is wrong with it and feel that everyone can benefit from it, BUT only of done properly and at the right time. These were my points...
What has been said in the past always needs repeated again and again periodically.
I hear ya 100% on the years under the belt thing...there's some classic jabronis from around my way, some real fuckstix that hang out at the Y and lift, have built upper bodies and stilts for legs.
THIS IS WHAT I HAVE HEARD FROM SOME REPUTABLE FRIENDS OF MINE:
Guys like this are promoting juice to kids(ahem, 16-24?!)..and giving them the MOST incorrect and inaccurate information about running cycles and certain compounds together that shouldn't be ran together. And PCT...they never heard of it, go figure. Their PCT is to lift as heavy as possible every day AFTER dropping the juice to get their natty test back up, lol. One guy was promoting the use of running some test cyp for a period and then switching to tren WHILE DROPPING THE TEST and then switching BACK to test...that was one of his cycle ideas?!?!?!? Or how about a bridge between cycles such as running some a-bombs(with NO test of course, it's a bridge dummy!! LOL) This is some things that a couple closer acquaintances of mine have said...I didn't see it/hear it directly, but I trust these people.
So there you have it, and once again I have to say it...there is USE of AAS, and there is ABUSE. I don't pray...but I DO pray that some people do NOT fall victim to what some douche in a Y gym is saying about gear. That asshole needs shot...I consider some stuff like that as predatorial...and when I think of predator, it doesn't conjure up a very nice mental image. I saw LOTS of predators in the joint and can spot them a mile away. Preying on people, weak or impressionable...kids and shit...just disgusting. Okay, sorry..I am done, LOL.
Bro science can be a dangerous thing. Take it from a brother who is now dealing with the ramifications of deca and eq only cycles in my early 20s. Ever heard of anorgasmia? It's a bitch. Too many of these young bucks think its badass to run gear, and honestly it is when done properly. But it can tear you down as fast as it built you up if youre careless about it. I've had so much blood drawn this year and sat through so damn many doctors appointments that I really feel for these kids that are just saying fuck it and really damaging their bodies. Wifey wanted another baby this year. I was barely able to do that for her, for us. I'm 32 and will be trt from here on out.
Oh wow, sorry to hear that man...that's a real kick in the nuts(lol, sorry..kinda NOT funny. Pun was NOT intended!)
Bro science CAN be a most dangerous thing...BUT it is also the MOST useful thing as well. As I am not disagreeing with you, but just stating the obvious here as well:
-If it wasn't for bro-science, then where would we be here?? It's not like we can go find some seriously articulated medical documents/studies on what are deemed appropriate and successful steroid cycles ran in a clinical environment. HELL...you won't even find maybe ONE that would even come close to anything related to a steroid cycle. The only thing you would find would be a listing of the side-effects of a such steroid, positive or negative. So it does come down to trusting a vet's advice and opinion on gear, compounds and cycles.
You weren't wrong in putting trust in such person with "experience". Unfortunately it was just the wrong person to choose, and that's the problem at hand...and it can be a difficult choice for someone young and impressionable. You are of the age and fell before a time when the info. wasn't so readily available and accessible(like it is today!!..internet) and by you stating your story and what can happen when one is led astray is a real help to others NOW, thwarting any dangers from carrying forward here, and that is one of the reasons YOU are here. It's just unfortunate that something like that had to happen to one of us to get the picture across, and I feel for ya brother
And really there is only ONE person I do know of that even researches anabolic steroids with an unbiased viewpoint...actually I would even say he promotes its use, and that's William Llewellyn.
Anonwell said brotha! this is another version of the same point i was trying to make with all this.
I agree completely. Accurate bro science is invaluable. Not to disclose too much info about myself, but I played baseball at a high level and was actually started on the deca by my athletic trainer during a rehab program for shoulder surgery. He said it would help to quicken my recovery process and add a therapeutic effect to my ligaments and tendons. This dude was the epitome of health. Why wouldn't I take his word as the gospel? Was a good idea at the time I guess. But I'm grateful for sites like this that allow us to help and look out for each other.
athletic trainer...hmmph, wow. yeah..I would've trusted his word as well, why wouldn't you?!?!?!...he's your trainer, lol. Dumb bastard should've done HIS research before recommending the use of such a compound for rehab purposes.
I haven't seen him in years, but if I ever ran into him I'd really like to know who else he put on deca like that. I know there were others.
AnonNo doubt bro. Sometimes just a lil knowledge can become a poison.
Sad part is, theres always gonna be young guys at 18-23 Years old running massive cycles and getting shitty gains. (smh)
So since now you have some extra time, start posting some of those recipes up in "Whats for Dinner" ... in particular, the stuffed jalos with cream cheese... and other stuff ... some shit wrapped in bacon.... lets goo!!!
AnonMy man! Will def do that. Right now, I'm enjoying my only beer drinking day of the week after a hectic work week!
I used to brew...so not having an occasional big dark euro bier has been tough.
For the youngsters.....agree to a point. It's good to knowing your limits. But IMO if op is just damn hellbent sometimes good info goes a long way. Definitly a very tough decision when it comes to help/harm
AnonI did too! Beer and wine. Used to be a lil hobby. And I agree with you on that. Overall, I hope for the youngsters to read the trt stories in hopes that they'll wait for the right time. But I'm with you.. If they are hellbent it's more or less about damage control at that point.
Well congrats man, cause I'm about 6 deep in a 12 pack myself.... yeah, was reading thru a post about you smoking the peppers with bacon (or some shit) .... sheiiiii post that shit bro, would love it, and if you could, share your techniques.... always love to hear how other ppl create shit.... good stuff
Anonhaha. no doubt brotha. i used to work as assistant chef in a restaurant. i love to cook. most of my recipes are not healthy choices, so that's why i don't post them here. my FB is loaded with recipes and food pics... lol