Cutting Cycle Advice
Hi there everybody
I'll start with my stats:
187lbs, 16% bf, 5'8", 27 years old
Diet: PERFECT! (lean meet, multivitamins, essential fats, complex carbs, gallons of water)
Sleep & rest: more than enough
Exercise: 4 days a week
Previous cycles (I know I know I know, both of them were big failure!)
Dianabol 40mgs a day, no PCT , 8 years ago
Test E 500mgs/week for 10 weeks, Tren Ace 50mgs EOD for 8 weeks, Anavar 60mgs for 6 weeks
Proposed Cutting Cycle :
1-8 var 60mgs every day spread out
1-8 proviron 25mg am and pm every day
2-6 need2slin 1 cap 3 times a day 30 mins before meals.
4-8 HCGenerate 3 caps am 2 caps pm every day
8-12 forma-stanzol 5 pumps am and pm every day
8-12 forged post cycle 1 cap am and pm
12-16 bridge 1 cap 3 times a day
Thinking of adding liquid clen starting with 20mcg to be increased by 20mcg every other day, and ketotifen on week 3 and 6
I'm still considering whether I need 200mgs Test E a week or not, just to prevent shutdown
I'll be automatically having cardio everyday, since I'm riding the bike 30-60minutes a day
As for the diet, I'll be on 800-1200kcals deficit
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my only concern about test e is that it would take a long time to kick in
200mgs eod is like 700mgs/week on average..isn't that too much for a cutting cycle?
test e takes a few weeks to start having an effect. pinned twice a week not eod.
test p pinned eod and isn't counted by the week due to the short half life.
in the first paragraph I was talking about test e
in the second one I was talking about test p
thnx man
ok
now i'm thinking of:
test p 1-10 100mgs EOD
anavar 6-10 80mgs
prov 6-10 50mgs
what do you think?
So no proviron? I tried it before and it gave me good results with no sides
As I said in my other reply, I don't need it to be that long, so don't you think that it's better to kick start with anavar 1-4weeks and test e 1-8 weeks?
Probably I won't be using albuterol/clen
don't you think that anavar has less sides than a test e?
for keeping the muscle, i won't be need a strong anabolic, right?
proviron shouldn't have any bad side effects, especially on the liver, right?
don't you think that albuterol can give me a good boost?
I know that cutting is all about diet and cardio, but I wanna keep the muscle and give my cutting a boost
what changes would you make to my cycle?
Heyyyyyy, how about this?
12 wk test only cycle (with ai and pct) along with a diet and training regiment conducive to your goals?
I am considering that but, don't you think that anavar has less sides?
thats a lot of shit your taking, do what raider is telling you he was kind enough to lay out a great cycle, just because a cycle is basic does not mean its weak, like you said diet is key here, Im certain even just running a test only cycle at 500 mgs a week(with the proper diet and cardio) you could cut, get rid off clen and keto, if your diet is perfect then you dont need that shit, Try to run a good cycle for once dont try to get fancy. So like raider said
Week 1-12 500-750mg of test-e
Week 4-12 anavar (i would do 60-80mgs per day)
test p 1-10 100mgs EOD
anavar 6-10 80mgs
prov 6-10 50mgs
what do you think?
Reading through the whole thread it seems you just want my guys to co-sign your what will be 3rd failed cycle right!... bro i have news for you these guys will not c0-sign any of this BS.. they are not flaming you they are trying to help,and you know what they ALL know more about AAS than you and ALL of them have had numurous success stories... so why on gods earth dont you listen and take advice and maybe just maybe this could be your first cycle to give some positive results... just open your mind bro it may just be the ticket to success.
the voice of reason
man chillout
i will listen
but first i wanna DISCUSS
... and MOST of them have had numerous failure stories - to learn from.
X2
well my advise is if your first 2 cycles were both a big failure like you said. why not go with a basic Test cycle if your diet is in check like you say you will be able to get the gains you are looking for with out running a bunch of compounds like you have listed
1-12 Test E @ 500mg a week split
4- all the way up until you start your PCT --your AI(do research on how to use and which to use Start PCT 15 days after last shot.
Clomid 100/100/50/50
NOVA 40/40/20/20
thanks for your detailed reply
I'm looking forward to cutting around 0.9Kg per week, so I don't really think that I need a long cycle
I don't have a problem with making a PCT but, isn't your cycle more suitable for bulking up instead of cutting?
Oh no.
Go with the 200 mgs test 2x week, with ai and proper pct.
Forget everything else you have listed.
Want to cut? 30 min cardio in the morning on empty stomache, lift in the afternoon for 45-60 minutes followed by another 30 min cardio.
The bike is good, add in the treadmill, eliptical, and swimming.. gotta change it up.
Read every sticky post in every subject in the forums here. Learn how to eat, train and rest. Then learn about ai's and pct.
Don't ask any more questions until you read all the stickies in the forums here, you're just gonna flamed otherwise.
i did read the stickies in the forum, and that doesn't mean that i have to follow them exactly they way they were written coz different forums write different information, and there's more than one way to do the same thing...
anyways, i was thinking of increasing my test and getting rid off the anavar, but anavar is much less androgenic and it gives more hardness and vascularity
other than being harsher on the liver and much more expensive, i think it's a premium option. what do you think?
in addition to that, i wanna ask: is albuterol better then clenbuterol?
You are not going to be spoonfed a cycle, keep doing your research. hint; community, cycle logs. Look up a prop kicker, test e, anavar, prop taper with an ai and pct cycle and read all the comments that follow.
Work on your diet and cardio first though. Stay natural for at least the next few months and lower that bf before using anavar.
I just recently tried albuterol, it's said to be better. But I couldn't handle the sides, heartburn so I couldn't sleep, people kept asking me why my hands were shaking, headaches, and extremely testy, I was being asked why I was mad all the time.
If you read all the stickies you would know test should be used in every cycle, and you would know no one is going to agree with what you posted.
i'll keep that in my mind
i might do Anavar 1-4 and Test E 1-8 with no Albuterol/Clen
Bin this idea , Anavar is a waste of money at your BF%. Have you learnt anything from the previous two cycles? Not trying to be an prick here, but it doesn't look that way. Research! There's a very simple cycle you'd be appropriate for but drop the BF beforehand. That means tidying up your diet even more and increasing the cardio.
Cutting without steroids will make me lose more muscle, and that's a fact
In addition to that, I'm at 16% now coz I'm on a MAINTENANCE diet. I can't be on 1200kcals deficit and not lose weight!!
I'll be on that deficit once I start the cycle
So, you'll only cut using steroids, is that what you're saying? You'll find the more experienced will disagree with your approach to this.
lol!you're obviously trying your best to make me look like a newbie
let me break it down for you:
the most important thing in cutting is diet
the second important thing is cardio/exercising
i have both of the points above in check, however, i don't wanna lose my muscle and that's why i'm adding steroids
anavar is a light steroid that's highly anabolic, mildly androgenic, and not that harsh on the liver
other supplements are meant to aid in losing fat and help me have a faster recovery (although I know that they're not magical pills)
proviron adds hardness and libido, especially that on a very harsh diet my sex drive would be close to zero...
I'm doing nothing but trying to help you, isn't that what you came here for? I'm not trying to make you feel like anything, anyone here that knows me at all would tell you that's not my style.
Anavar does nothing for you unless you're at 11-10%bf or less. Go ahead and run it at 16%, you clearly know better.
i'm thinking of cutting from 16% to 8% in 8 weeks
that's about 0.9Kg per week, which is doable I think
do you have any better options for keeping the muscle?
Some people just are looking for approval. You tried your best to get through to him.
i'm looking for advice and discussion
thnx
Is this an orals cycle only? If so DO NOT run it!!! Unless you hate your liver and want to be on a waiting list for a new one I CAN'T stress enough not to run this cycle. It has bad news written all over it. I can be more specific if you like.
Anavar is has a very small impact on the liver compared to other oral steroids
I really think that it's a light cycle, I don't know why is it so BAD NEWS!!
biggerthanyouPs your diet isnt "perfect" if youre 16% bf
I've just finished a bulking up cycle with a big calories surplus
biggerthanyouBro this is a cycle from hell itself. Do NOT run this cycle. It will FUCK you up. Permanently.
X2+1 brother.
why is that?
can you give me more details please
thnx bro