Cutting cycle
I'm about to start my 3rd cycle and wanted to run it by you guys for feedback. I'm looking do do a cycle that will mainly support my recovery between my workouts (cycling and weights) and protect my gains while getting by weight down (BF @ 12.3% want to get to 10% by Sept). Looking at a 16 week cycle starting May1st. Going to get pre-cycle labs next week. So here goes.
Weeks 1 - 10
Test-E 150mg 2x week
Armidex starting week 3 if needed @ .5mg EOD
HCG starting week 3 200mg/week
Weeks 11 - 16
Test-E 100mg 2x week
Winstrol 50mg EOD
Armindex as required @ .5mg EOD
HCG starting week 3 200mg/week
PCT
Weeks 19 - 20
Clomid 100mg/day
Nolvadex 40mg/day
Weeks 21-22
Clomid 50mg/day
Nolvadex 20mg/day
Previous 2 cycles have been test-c only @ 150mg twice a week. No issues. Last cycle ended in January.
Thanks guys.
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Not even a cutting cycle in my eyes without seeing what your meal plan it!
Meal plan is in check. Running a 300-500 calories per day deficit. Macros 40/35/25
Cycle is good.
IMO.. I would do winstrol ED, waste at eod.(halflife is 9hrs.) With that low of test dose., if ur AE is adex, I would do 1mg the day after each injection. If u are goin to do pct, no need for nolva & clomid would only be 50mg/day for 2wks.
RustyhookerYou might re-explain you pct idea
At max 300mg/wk ?? That could taper off by itself.. Why even bother with pct...?
I'm always open to different ideas so I have to ask, do you have any personal experience doing this?
RustyhookerBecause 12 weeks of shutdown is still....shutdown. why would someone spend couple hundred to run a cycle to remain shutdown and lose the gains? Blues, depression, brokedick, etc. Thats just redundant!
Keep gains? Finishing with 200mg/wk..keep gains., - at 52. I need to see bloods, 200mg/wk may not even get him to normally test nanogram/deciliter. Heck 300mg will only yeld 210 mg a week if u calculate it., so if the average male produces 35-70 weekly, there's no need. My suggestion at 50 clomid/day for 2wks is clearly enough
RustyhookerYour statement, which I addressed clearly.
Exactly why proper protochols should be enforced. He's not a spring chicken with rebound of natty test like some kid.
Show me any science based literature in endocrinology where a 52 year old is considered "average"
Clearly enough? I've already posted enough info above to negate your 2 week theory. 4 weeks, sure but 2 on a 52 year old not average male?
The op should run bloods before cycle to even see IF he's within range of needed trt. Get his baseline set. If he's high enough for pct, he should follow a real protocol. If not, then he needs an endocrinologist to get him straight for a year before anything considered.
fix your stats is a good start for yourself
baseline Total Test is 365
Then this changes..
Joker757, I saw ur age n went from there, ignore what I said. A 52age isn't "average", my point in say'n what I did...above, Rusty goes on to say something about bloods & if ur in range., reason bien this could actually could be trt for someone, & why I said what I said. I'm impressed ur baseline is there.. seems you are a 'spring chicken', I'm push'n 40 & ur in better shape than me. 300mg will put you well into the 1200-1500 range.
RustyhookerAt least run the clomid 4 weeks. I dont see much estro issues but bloods week 5 will tell the facts. If needed .25e3d adex would be plenty.
I agree.
RustyhookerNo worries bro. Was fun to simply compare theories. Have a great day!
Likewise my friend.. You have a better one
I've noticed the mental problems that come with shutdown is way worse than the physical. My deca cycle fucked me up so bad I was crying all the time and shit stopped eating started smoking cigarettes again drinking to try and cover the mental distress I was in. And I even ran a pct standard I was still shut down. This dude is giving this guy bad advice÷
RustyhookerMy first tren run was 9 weeks...too long imo. As you say, depressed, sad, clingy...it sucked! 6 weeks pct got me straight but the first 4 were flat horrible. Next time was 6 weeks then pharma pct. Felt great!
Hmmm Mayne I should have ran the pct 2 weeks linger I did standard protocol. A couple people said I should have used hcg after the 19 nor
RustyhookerWe post a standard but yes, if you feel that emotional stuff certainly keep on the pct. Last cycle was long so I did the hcg blast before pct. I used hexarellin and cjc no dac during pct. Kept the gains and noticed no typical pct blues etc. Im not sure how much the hcg influenced pct or the peptides for that matter. I just know I felt great. 2 weeks I start my taper and then pct with just the peptides, and pct.
What was your pct start timing compared to last pins of test and deca?
I stopped the deca 2 weeks before the test 10 weeks total on deca 12 weeks total test cyp then I started the pct clomid nolva 100/40 2 weeks 50/20 2 weeks 21 days (3 weeks) after last cyp injection
I'm interested to see where this goes lol
That's a weird number for test e? Aside from that it looks decent to me
RustyhookerAdex dose?
That looks crazy to me to that's Alot for 300 mg of test a week. But that shit at .25 eod makes me feel like a starfish in the sun I didn't look at that until you pointed it out
note is says as needed. My last cycle was 300mg test a week and i was bloated as hell. It got my water down to a more manageable level. I only use it as required. If I don't start to carry a lot of water then I won't take any or a smaller dose.
Damn that's crazy man but everyone is different I wouldn't need it on that dose but that's me... rusty is right on the var to much better route than winstrol that shit is brutal!
Thanks for the feedback rob. I'm like a camel and hold water even when natty. When cycling it's even worse. Especially in my face. Just something I need to deal with. I will try a lower dose to see if that helps before going higher. On the Var vs Winny. I chose the Winny based on the success other athletes have had with it. I'm open to the Var but is really expensive. But if it's the better tolerated choice I'm open. Gotta do more research before I pull the trigger on either though. I hope to have the cycle nailed down and ordered by the EOW.
RustyhookerIf its water and not estro when natural, try vitamin c. 500 am...500pm.
Var is expensive but if it's good var as rusty stated you won't need to take outrageous amounts of it. I used some good shit my first time with var 40 mg ed and man was it powerful the forum I was on before here dudes were telling me I wasting my money on such a low dose and I didn't understand what they meant because I got seriously strong and I added Alot of lean mass that cycle... which people who know me on here lean mass isn't really my goal but it still ended up that way. I used winstrol depot the injectable version I can remember the dose off rip I'll have to log into my other forum and check but that shit was all around bad for me anyways. I could literally feel my joints creaking and it was painful and the pip I got from it was obscene... like to where I couldn't move a certain way afterwards. I cut that shit out and ended up on var which was the cycle I gave above. I was also using .25 mg arimidex eod I swear I felt like I had no water in my body at all I felt like absolute shit. I like where your heads at with the research check thing out really dive into it before you pull the trigger on something.
RustyhookerIt is interesting how much folks vary on water, estro etc. Keeps this site a living and functioning page
I know it's crazy on 300 mg of test I wouldn't retain a drop lol its a good site for things such as this
RustyhookerId stick to 12 weeks...pct....check bloods in 16 weeks for next cycle. Bang it out and recover. Less losses in mass and calender time.
Switch out winny for top shelf var. 50mg ed split. Weeks 8-14.
Bloods week 5 to dial in estro. This is all about foods and sweat. Checking diet with food gurus is key