posted Thu, 05/01/2014 - 03:38
2642
Cutter at end of cycle to drop stubborn fat?
ad
Please no lectures. I am looking for some help removing stubborn fat in my lower abs and bottoms of pecks. I am 40 years old and cruise on test cyp 250 every 6 days. In the past and this spring I kick the test with tren ace 100mg eod for 12 weeks. So far I am 8 weeks in on a lean diet with lots of water and the fat is not dropping as in the past. My arms, shoulders, legs are all "cut" I estimate my bf below 12 percent but it would be closer to 8 with the stubborn areas.
5 11
187 lbs
Ectomorph type body
What is the best injectable to stack with my current formula to get this fat burning? Or should I simply bump up the tren and test dose?
- Bookmark
- 0
- 0
There is such a misconception about how a compound will shred stubborn fat. It's not the compound, food and training is where your solution is. If it's stubborn then you have to work even harder to get rid of it. I have a spot like this, even at the one point in my life when I was obsessed with removing it I couldnt. I was sub 10 BF% easy. Boxing and training 7 days a week and it would not go away....I always see people post about tren and fat burning but tren does not do anything to me in terms of fat burning. As a matter fact i havent found any compound that does. Constant diet and training is my only answer.
Thanks for all the help and advice, I am going to jump off, PCT, blood test and see where I am at.
Sorry if I offended anyone
+3 for making the best decision this year :))
I don't need to be reminded that this is part of a conversation between you and VIKING! But, this is a public forum.
I can only deduce from that comment that for some very strange reason you have been left with some kind of impression that the membership here is replete with poor struggling sods that have no life outside the gym. LMAO. Really? There are folk here that run businesses larger than yours and are well heeled. For a successful businessman to make a remark like that is so . . . well . . déclassé.
an assumption was made about me, I made one right back.....my competitive nature. It was a sarcastic comment to prove a point that I know nothing more about him than he does about me.
I took offence to the "lazy" and commented under emotional duress, of course I don't
Who was the person that called you "lazy"..... point me to the specific post please.
UPDATE..... i found it.........
up0down
delete
edit
reply
youngtricep98 1 day ago
Sounds like you're lazy to be honest.
60% is diet
30% is training
10% is "your boost"
Suck it up and diet your ass off, do some fasted cardio. You'll drop bf. And get off tren, you have no business using that compound.
I dont see my name on that post so WTF is going on here?
I didn't mean to insinuate that you made the statement, I was saying in general why I made my statement. I apologize for grouping all that responded into one person....stupid on my part.
This sure went down hill fast. Sorry to bother you guys. I will go back to reading and being quiet, and hope that I can find something that works for me.
Feel free to delete the entire thread
reply
youngtricep98
1 day ago
Sounds like you're lazy to be honest
I need to get this "cruise" thing cleared up.......... if you are not full TRT there is no such thing as a cruise!...... Blast/Cruise protocol is a year to year life long thing............ i see you mentioning 12wk "cruises".... what are we talking about here?... are you looking at PCT anytime or are you a proper TRT candidate.
SEE!... that comment is my problem here!.......... we have test and tren and then a rip blend being thrown about like its a fkn candy shop?...... someone needs to get their fkn head screwed on properly here before the gates of Worldofpain.com open up.
The point here gentlemen is that this OP has not got a fkn clue what he is doing and that point is being by-passed.
Viking, I have a lot of respect for your abs your contributions to this forum....having trouble understanding the rage that is thrown around this site like it is candy.
My "cruise" is march to October basically. The 12 wk is a cycle. Test 250 6 days on cycle. Test 250 12 days on cruise, I am 40 years old.
It kills me when people have the knowledge and power to help, yet waste their time taking down, bitching, and belittling others. Chances are you have all made the same mistakes at one point in your roid career.
We are on a roid site yet I see roid users basically telling everyone bit themselves they don't need roids.
The general consensus here is someone should work out for 5 years straight, plateau then add a tiny bit of test to get to the next level and I disagree.
Want to fix me up to your standards, I am all ears. There is so much conflicting information out there, and rage to go with that advice it makes it hard.
I'm guessing that you think I should not use at all, which is fine and your opinion. However, that is not going to happen, I love how it makes me feel, look, sex drive, energy, youth like.
I am not a gym rat, finding the 5 hrs I do to work out is a miracle. I have two homes, a wife, kid, boats, a plane, toys, and run a 12 mil dollar business....someone here referred to me as lazy because I don't live in my moms basement and work out twice a day 3 hrs a day. I can assure you that people who know me would never label me as lazy, the label would be someone that never stops.
You don't have to be a monster with only one hobby (working out) to benefit from juice. Fitness is a part time hobby for me, just like my other hobbies
You still even after spending time to write an essay missed my point about the "CRUISE" term?....... you also mention "rage" lmao!...... i am British thats the way i am my man! if i was raging that post above would be completely different trust me :))
The rest of what you said means nothing!... you are on an AAS site and i will give AAS info to whoever you are in real life, either it be "nicey nicey" or boot to ass tactic i will get my point across....... if you dont like it log out and leave.... do not expect me to spoon feed you like a baby.
Still waiting on the advice, or more questions to answer. You made a few vague statements, and left it at that.
This site is a like a game lol. Vague open ended questions waiting to punch ok someone.
So I got bad advice four years ago, so far your help is "the op doesn't have a fucking clue" and "nolva...see that is what I am taking about"
Honestly, I have no idea what the hell you are taking about.
So ask me the details, and I will tell you. Give me advice on what I should be taking, I'm all ears.
If your response is I shouldn't be taking anything because I don't have a clue, please save me the drama and move on to another thread
I sent you a friend request bud. I see this ending badly so hit me up and lets see if we can deescalate this thing privately OK.
thank you
Choose your battles. It's not wise to tell a moderator what threads to post on.
I don't want a "battle" I want advice. Doesn't look as if I am going to get much, just criticism. Simply saying if that is all he has to offer me, save it.
I don't know why I have to reiterate that I am coachable, however I don't take aggressive criticism without a solution well.....because to me it is just nonsense.
I am I the only one here looking for help? What qualifies a person to getting help on this forum? Maybe I confused this site with something it is not. Thought it was a place for guidance and information.
I am a long time lurker, I can't be the only one that is gun shy about asking questions here. When someone asks me for advice on something I consider myself and expert on I simply help, and remember that some time ago I was as green as they are.
It looks like you did get advice. I can't speak for V, but it seems as if your statements about cruise are contradicting. So you are a TRT patient correct?
I think maybe your definition of cruise is not what we consider it to be. So you're on 6 months off 4 then on again?
Booom........... that was the point i was making................. +3
I am just scouring the thread for the "LAZY" comment now, as it seems as though he is pointing his finger at me calling him lazy.
An hobbyist weight trainer on 6mths constant cycle is NOT what we promote but he doesnt seem to be grasping the questions i asked.
I have no problem making changes. I still disagree that you have to be at an arbitrary level based on opinion to benefit from juice.
I am done going cold on the workouts for 4 -5 months, my wife works it all year....I can too.
I still have personal goals, they are just different than yours I am sure.
195-200 lbs in the summer months below 10 percent would make me a happy guy. Sadly I have pretty much given up on bulking (for this year)seeing that we are so late in the year and my stomach looks likean alien is going to come out of it.
Yesterday was the kickoff of the Viking no carb after 2 diet for my wife and I, and let me tell you at 9 pm you did not want to be in our house. It was like we were coming off a crack addiction. I actually dreamt of bananas last night
I am not a TRT patient. At 36 I was tested for test and did not qualify for TRT. When I say cruise I say that I stay on the test for most of the summer months at a reduced dosage of 250mg every 12 days after the cycle. I do blood work (Wife is PA) regularly and have never had a signs of issues, not even close. Never a side either.
tamoxifen is all I use for PCT when I come off my cruise.
I am not saying any of this is right, and I do agree that I need to start working out all 12 months of the year....and plan to. I let myself go too far this off season and I have having trouble getting back to were I want to be. In the past I have been able to kill 4-5000 cals a day on cycle, min cardo, gain muscle and drop fat....not happening.
I think we can all agree what I have been doing is wrong, so lets make it right. I am all ears.
Just to clear up the cruise terminology. It's being on year round at a low dose, you then "blast" for a couple months meaning up your cycles doses, then back down to your cruise dose. No PCT. What you have been doing is abuse. I take it that you are getting bloods done a month or so after PCT to make sure you have recovered? To make it right would be to cycle for 12-16 wks then do a proper PCT Clomid/Nolva for 4 weeks then take that amount of time off before starting again. To be honest I'm amazed that you are recovering from what you are doing with nolva alone.
Good info pin. Thar should clear things up. +1
....
I would stop and do a PCT Clomid 100/100/50/50 Nolva 40/40/20/20 then get bloods about a month or so after to see where your Test levels are. With the protocol you've been on you may need more time off if you are still trying to avoid TRT.
Tren, I won't advise on, that will be something that the true experts and gurus can help on if they choose. Giving out that info on open forum isn't done a lot around here because it's a compound that can floor you. I've tried it and accepted the fact that me being a recreational user, much like yourself, it's just not needed.
Thanks. I plan to do just that, I have clomid on hand, just never used it. I'll do more research. Tren is addicting, simply amazing what it does for me, but maybe you are right. I did order anti prolactin last night after your advice, I wasn't aware of that problem. I have never had milk or tren dick issues.
So now I have a bunch of stuff on hand, and I am scared to death to use any of it.
sounds like abuse to me, if you find tren addicting, dont use it, i saw this go up last night and knew something was rotten or not quite rite, hence staying out of it, my advice would not have been as nice, thats forsure, oh well of to the next post. scared? dont use tren then simple.
Fear is the lack of understanding. In this game you need a full understanding of what you are putting into your body. Take time and study up on everything. You lucked out with Tren, but don't think for moment that the next run won't bite you. Viking has been in this game forever and recently dumped a Tren cycle because of the sides. Best of luck. You'll find what you need here.
At the risk of putting myself out there which is dangerous these days for anybody with karma; I have a few thoughts and ideas.
DISCLAIMER: Tren is considered an advanced steroid so advice is generally given based on experience. You sound a little undereducated with tren so I am reluctant to give it. However, you also have some experience and a competent medical staff at hand and I think you will do it anyways. At 40 I think you can accept the risks of acetate so I would rather you have a safe productive cycle rather than a fruitless one wasting your money and time.
Firstly; owning up to your mistake is a good start. Realizing this game is a full time commitment to a marathon is the mindset you need to win. So no more slowing down in the winter months. Training needs top be constant. You do not have to kill yourself, god knows at 40 I don't have the energy I once had but I also do not take the attitude of only working out when I am on cycle.
Secondly: Cardio is not a bad thing especially when on tren and test cyp. Your heart takes a hard hit when on cycle and cardio is the only way you have of combating that. Lipids take a huge jump on tren so you need to monitor them along with regular bloods and proper diet. I find doing a HIT regiment three times a week melts fat like butter.
Thirdly: For cutting at your level a good blend would be a good start. Tren ace and cyp aren't exactly the best combination for cutting. It can be done but I think there are more effective stacks.
Fourthly: Pin Cushion steered you right with the link. Viking is one of the most knowledgeable members on the site in all things steroid and diet related. On a personal note. I have modified his concept a little in that I have adopted a paleo diet cutting breads, wheat and gluten from my diet. I also eat as much whole foods as I can and limit my shakes to two a day. I have noticed a sizable difference in my belly when cutting bread from my diet. Conversely you will notice a bloated feeling and bulge in your stomach when you deviate from the diet and eat pasta and breads. I eat all carbs before 4 and stick to only protein until 9. On tren ace I eat nothing after that as I do not want to be up all night long sweating because my metabolism is burning of the late night carbs.
Fifthly: Addressing my comment number three above; I would do the following. Research proviron and masteron very well and adopt them into an 8 week cut cycle using a blend from one of the sources. I know a lot of people are against blends because they like to control their shot schedule but these blends are well thought out and conservative. They are designed to be taken every day or every other day. The blend I would recommend to you would be a 50/50/50 taken every day. That's 50 of tren ace which has a half life (HL) of one day so taking it every other day is not very effective. 50 of test prop which has a 2 day HL and 50 of masteron prop. This is a very effective stack and when combined with proviron can be very effective for that chest fat. I will let you do some research on how masteron and proviron can be very effective at hardening as well as other positive benefits. Just look them up in the search bar there is tons of great information. They also have negative sides but to some they are very mild. (If you are prone to MPB masteron will exacerbate this trait). I would take this stack at one cc a day for 8 weeks and see where you are at the end. It is quite a commitment to pin every day and sometimes the pip is unbearable but after the third week or so it starts to go away.
If you have any questions about maximizing cycles and half life and why they are important read my links below:
Maximizing cycles
How Esters Work Together
Half Life Math
Good luck and be safe!
AnonHavoc, another absolutely knowledgeable, well written, significantly detailed and documented write up! it is always a pleasure reading up on your thoughts and knowledge on information that pertains to this community and world of ours.
Thank you + 1
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkOOOH brother cry!... you make me soooooooo proud i have a little tear running down my cheek!..... you have come along way my bro.... a long way indeed from our first ever convo.
FKN excellent post, thorough, meaningful, honest, and non-aggressive unlike mine which would have been a hefty boot to the ass in this occasion lol...................... +3 all day brother :)))0
Wow....that is some great information. I have some reading to do.
Thinking I may cut the tren now, ride out the test, and consider your blend a few months down the road. The Viking diet also looks great and I am starting that today (so is the wife, who is in way better shape than I am)
On the lipid count, my lipid count has always been very low in my age group. So much that last year my wife had me test for ciliac disease because I guess that is one of the signs? Needless to say the test was very invasive and I came back negative. I am having flood work done next week and report back on where I stand. Last work was done week before I started cycle
So I guess a few blows to the head in order to get info like this is worth it. Many here criticize without offering help. I am coachable, but let us not forget I did not come up with what I currently use on my own, it also came from forum advice, so why beat me up? Just set me straight
I am glad to have opened your eyes a little. Let me know if there is anything I can help with.
Excellent write up! +1
I'm no expert, that is why I am here. Thought I was doing the right thing, but it sounds like I am not. I will give you more info on what I have been doing for the past 4 years.
My test cruise is actually 250 every 12 days with blood work from my wife who is a PA. Never had an issue except once high red which I donated and got back to level. I also have letro and nolva on hand. I have had to use the letro for sides mid cycle a few times. Nolva is what I use when I come off in the fall.
My cruise is May to October. I pct and stay off until spring. I also do not work out much in the winter.
In February I hit the gym, by march I start the test 250 every 6 days along with tren as booster. This is my first year on tren ace, in the past I have used tren eth and kept my injections down to twice a week. Right now eod.
I have used this method in the past along with a huge diet to get me 10-12 lbs to carry the summer. I am happy at 185-190, that is always the goal. I have never had this issue with fat, it usually just goes doing what I am doing. Maybe age or maybe I let myself go too much this winter.
The hard part for me is I can't gain and lose this much fat at the same time. If I go hard cardio and take the cals down I am afraid I will end up looking like a 155lb marathon runner, not what I want.
So I was looking for an easy way out, I have never used a winny, or anything like it so I assumed it was a magic cutter in a bottle, and I apologize for that.
I think I am going to finish my 12 weeks, cruise, and hit cardio hard and see where I end up. I was trying to cheat the system and u busted me, but I had to ask.
Sorry if I offended you, I was looking for help, I didn't mean to come across as a know it all, I'm no expert
Should have lead with that, lol are you taking anything for prolactin while on Tren? Never look for the easy way out. It's hard to pull a quick one on us ;). Check this link out. The answer to your question. (http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/wanna-get-ripped-read-this)
Sounds like you're lazy to be honest.
60% is diet
30% is training
10% is "your boost"
Suck it up and diet your ass off, do some fasted cardio. You'll drop bf. And get off tren, you have no business using that compound.
Ugh diet diet and some more diet. If u aren't getting the results u want look in the kitchen and training. The last thing u do is well I don't like my results so I'm upping my test hand Tren. More steroids isn't the answer.howr log has it been since,e u had bloods Done cause cruising at 250 every six days is more like staying on cycle year round.u seem to be very irresponsible with aas
When I see posts that start like this it really sets the tone. I'm sorry but it sounds like your diet and cardio are off. There is no magical injection to burn off fat, and bumping up doses is not the answer. I'm not even gonna waste my time here cause I would hate to "lecture" you.
Lol u beat me to it saved mine and there was your great post agree 100 percent
lol, yea I didn't have much to say hard to give advice when that's the first line. Sounds like the only question he wants answered is. What should I add, and what should i increase my dose to.
hunteron20sYou have to put previous stats and cycles under your belt.but I can say 12 weeks of tren a is not smart .8 weeks and thats it ..
AnonWhen i hear 12 weeks of tren..... i THINK of a lot of sleepless nights man... No way, not for me lol
12 weeks at 350 mg per week is easy for me to handle, I get zero sides except I'm irritable week 2.
Hangin leg raises for the belly fat and decline dumbell press for the tittie fat........i dont think more juice is necessary brotha
Well, thanks for the advice but all that is currently being done, in fact I have been hitting the abs 3 times a week and the pecs twice. I so high intensity weight instead of cardio.
I don't believe in targeting body fat, comes down to diet or supplements/burners. I'm old, looking for more advice than "work out more" I need a boost
Youve got all the boost you need, upping the dose or adding compounds will do more harm than good.( I so high intensity weight instead of cardio.) You still need to do at least 30 min cardio especially since your not getting the results you want! Why dont you list you diet for us to look at and maybe we can fine tune it a little for ya.
wasting your time man.
Probably so but I was at least gonna give him a chance.