posted Thu, 11/15/2012 - 18:11
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Currently on test e but plant to add in tren ace this weekend, lower test dose?
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Hey guys, long lurker, first thread I believe. Anyways I'm running 500mg of test e currently and It's about to be week 6's last injection. But upon research, lots of people say to run tren ace higher than test, and have read good things about using just a trt dose. Should I drop down to a .5ml/125mg minus whatever the enanthate weights to run 50mg tren ace ED? Need to do my pin tonight, but haven't found much of an answer to this question. Thanks for taking the time to read and respond bro's!
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lpetJustLiftIt I'm a few years older than you (early twenties) and I have several more cycles under my belt. And these guys (rightfully) managed to convince me against using Tren so soon. Keep in mind you're not the only young guy that's been training for years, dieting hard, done your research and tried AAS before. And Tren is STILL a bad idea.
Consider replacing it with EQ. Or not. Your choice.
***I see my name mentioned on this thread and i have not yet made a single comment to date!... i have read the whole thread and decided to not comment at all regarding your choice of cycle... it simply is not worth a waste of any more words!.. do exactly what you feel is right for you but realise you are on your own fro here.. do not expect any eroids members to co-sign your plan and please dont come back here asking for help if it all goes wrong.. you will get NONE!.. i would be grateful if you could show some
respect to EVERY member on this thread that has tried to point you in the right direction because i just cannot understand the reason for the post in the first place seeing that you were doing this thing regardless of any advice.. i dont know if you have learnt anything or not from the responces but before i end this i will ask you one more time to re-think.. thats all.***
I'm still unsure whether or not I'm going to use the tren but I do appreciate the help some members have offered. I have learned* some things from the responses
I understand you would be grateful if I showed respect to most members, however, you simply tell me to do whatever I feel is right and to not ask for help regardless of what happens. The way some members bash, it seems almost therapeutic for some of you or something.
Thanks guys for all your input, I appreciate the fact that I can post here and get some helpful feedback given, maybe not from YOU (VIKING) though.
Like I said I realize you guys are just expressing concern but I also ask that you take into consideration some of the things I've already said about myself. I'm trying to go about this the right way.
The only things I share in common with other 19 year old people who post and use is starting at a young age and the fact that Im on cycle. The rest is just generalizations you vet's seem to be making. Which I can understand, cause being experienced people you see this a lot, I get that.. But I'm not just some idiot kid tryna get swol3 brah, comeatme. No.
I know we talked last night I told u my thoughts on tren so early and cycling at 19 but you seem like a smart guy and I want you to know like I said yesterday its on you what you end up doing but Eroids is like a family and all the guys in here trying to help care and dont want you or any one else going down the wrong path and hurting there self in the long run I wish I had this site at 19-20 to find guys that want to help so I hope you understand were every one is coming from
Understood detroitnate but at the same time frustrated with these guys probably thinking the same as Viking does, when that's not me. I am highly self-motivated, I love back breaking gym work, and I find ways to eat more when most people would throw in the towel at some points, depending on if that's what I need to be doing. But here, a broad generalization is just made and as soon as I say I'm 19, I'm automatically this.
Here it is the definitive first cycle plan for all you young guys that think you know it all but up to now have proved you know FUCK ALL.
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Only serious focused highly self motivated people need apply,this is all about hard work and total comittmant,not popping a few fucking anavar or d/bols i doubt many of you 125lb pencil necks will care for this as it will involve back breaking gym work and stomach busting eating plans, not the usual pram pushing geek shit that you know it all pussies are used too.
Oh and by the way!! i need pics to prove you are serious, this post as been brought about by having to read far too much shit from certain youngsters that think they know it all but have yet to post pics to prove ANY of the theories they use work.
If this post as upset any of you fuckers GOOD that was my intention so stop fucking crying and go and kill that gym with some controlled aggression THAT will make you grow not popping fucking orals.
a year ago I collapsed with a glute cramp and hurled doing sprints up a steep hill when trying to increase my explosiveness/ability to dunk while one of my friends watched and laughed at my misery.. at that time I could graze the rim with my index and middle fingers (5'11). Now that same guy is asking me for advice on how to train hard for jumping, while I put down dunks no problem Even after 1.5 months of complete inactivity of cardio from a procedure I had done. I can/do/will work hard guys, bottom line.
The only responsible advice for someone of your age, like it or not is no gear. You've been told by several experienced people you shouldn't be running gear and you definitely shouldn't be running tren but you clearly don't want to listen. Affirmation isn't going to happen here.
You are going to damage yourself permanently on the path you are taking. At 19, you haven't even begun to put in the hard work this game demands. You may think you have, take it from an "old man", you're wrong and you're making bad decisions.
I'm concerned. Not flaming you!
bodybuilding is lifestyle, a lifelong commitment. Ya I understand that. I understand it's a bad decision. Just because I'm 19 doesn't mean I 1. Don't know how to work hard and 2. Plan to stop working anytime soon. I mean I'm 6 weeks into this cycle as it is, I'm prepared to deal with whatever issues it may mean for me however long down the road but it's not about shortcuts, getting girls, whatever. This is for me. and chances are I won't be cycling til after I'm out of enlistment. I have confidence my body will recover with the correct pct, no?
If you know how to work hard, why don't you try building a decent base naturally? At the age of 19, you cannot and have not used up hardly any of your natural genetics. Most guys here lifted for 5-10 years before AAS, and that is key to holding onto what you build using cycles.
I know detroitnate has spoken to you, I hope his words have struck home with you.
http://fadedpenguin.com/PDF/AAS/Anabolic%20steroid-induced%20hypogonadis...
When reading the last two paragraphs, it's further proven that essentially we're all guinea pigs when it comes to knowing the longer term effects of AAS use, and restoring HPTA function post aas use. Even though I haven't reached natural limits, that doesn't mean I'm not working hard right now on cycle.
I have a phd in molecular biology, i don't really need to read it to be blunt. I didn't say you weren't working hard on cycle, I said you shouldn't be on cycle.
I'm done with this thread. Not here to argue.
Understood, was just offering a response to yours.
Bother have you done any research at all? If you have you would have found that not only tren is a horrible idea but running a cycle at your age will be completely devastating to your body. If you want some solid advice send me a FR and I will be glad to help you anyway I can.
Yes I've done research
Bro I spent over a hour last night in pm working with him trying to get him off the idea of tren I think it worked. Well I hope it did but its on him now I offered every thing I could and so did other vets we will have to see
+1 brother great effort, now it's on him. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink it.
You can only do your best.
+1 for the effort brother, deserves +10.
We need stats and past cycle history before any good advice can be given. Especially when it comes to tren.
He's 19 and wants to run Tren on second cycle.
UHGGG!
i tell u what down below i shared a little of what i went through using tren to soon now if u finish the test only u are all ready on because its to late to stop that leave the tren alone take time off plus pct and fr and pm me i will work with diet training safe cycles and help get you to wear you want to be with out tren
Reading closely, I see some differences already between your story and mine, but I'd appreciate your time to talk about it more in depth
I just saw this response down below. I'll send a FR
got it pm when u r ready bro
1 good man nate.
The simple answer here is unless your about to compete or something of that nature, its just unessacery man. Plenty of other options for you.
Perhaps you'd like to swap compounds with me then ;) haha.
If i knew you, trust me i would bro if that meant you wouldnt use it.
Well I dunno what the hell I'm gonna do with it.
im guessing u got 1 bottle, maybe 2? toss that shit. its not like u just dropped a G on tren ..''i hope'' lol orrr save it it should last for a ccouple years no prob.
I've got two, but I won't be running any cycles within the next two years. For certain. Probably not for at least 4 at the bare minimum. That can be assured. I'm certain I won't run until after my enlistment is over.. So.
enlistment? what branch?
USAF sir
THIS is the very reason we try to discourage the young guys. You want a body you want to be proud of but not willing to put the time and discipline it takes to do it. But of course you will disregard ALL of the experience on this board (with YOUR best interest in mind) because you really believe you know what you're doing (the curse of youth) The best thing you could do for yourself is to go against the grain of everything you think you know and surprise everyone by making a mature and educated decision.
I mean for (insert name here)'s sake I'm eating 3C of cooked spinach a day, enough to make anyone gag. Lol.
I realize I'm just an eroids.com user, but you sir have no right to sit here and say that I'm not willing to put the time and or discipline to transform my body from what it was to what it is.....I'm sorry but that simply is wrong. Just because I chose to use AAS does not mean I don't put time into this, or have any discipline. I'm sorry but that's just far from accurate in regards to ME, JustLiftIt.
You are 19 and turning to juice! That pretty much says it all doesn't it?
I know exactly what your words mean and how you are feeling about this, phew its unbelievable how much this child believes in himself,i cant say much more H i am dumbfounded here :(
I just want a body to be proud of, I'm tired of the crap. I've worked hard at this.
cdaddy7Tren is def not the compound for u brother....def not on a second run....at 19 u are way too young bc u are at ur height of great natty test levels unless u have been diagnosed with low T.....ur diet is the key to your success....i never advise gear until at least 25....bc so much can happen and u can do more damage than good long term....I can assure u that if u research and train hard and incorporate a good diet in the mix it will b the best for u in the long run....the whole Tren thing will b a very bad choice bc u don't know ur body enough with training and def not enough cycles under your belt to know good from bad...I'm not being a dick but just honest....ur not gonna find another reputable rep that is goin to come along and green light you on this....the most important thing for u is to get ur diet and training in order and learn ur body bc that is where true growth takes place at ur age....ur genetic potential will be there when gear is needed but not just yet my man
I've experimented and tampered with macros for the last two years. Essentially, I asked myself, how bad do I want it.....and I want it pretty bad. So it's the decision I made. I've down hours on research, did one of my term papers on hypogonadism and restoring hpta funtion in hyponadal men (yes I got a 94) and I just made the leap. Plus, my ace is set to arrive any second now...there's no returns, on a lighter note lol
cdaddy7U sound very intelligent so I encourage u to def reconsider ur Tren ride...gear is good for years if stored properly...I suggest u place the Tren there and go weigh out your options before you leap onto a bad ride....real bad one....just remember I advised against it
I really appreciate your input, and assuming you were to advise me to the best way to make a bad decision, would you say lower the test dose or keep rocking it out at 500 weekly..?
The thing is, not everyone has a bad ride...And I at least have a knowledgeable forum of guys to consult along with an ability to use the search function, so I trust I wouldn't kill myself, haha. But I've weighed my options and in my head, this seems like a risky, but potentially rewarding cycle.
AnonFirst off...why do u want to run tren, aside from the obvious fact that your too young
Naturally cut down from 245 down to 185 then cycled an oral to get to 200, then recomped/cut down to 195 and now I'm up to 210 on test E but leaning out. Pretty good estimates anyways. Cut down cause I love basketball and needed to be able to dunk.
Recomp. Second cycle. 19. 210 12-13%bf. Goals to maintain +200, reach single digits. Kickstart the recomp into January, diet down til summer. I know how to eat, I know how to train. Prepared to get flamed for my age. At the moment have my diet being manipulated by 3Js Diet Consult Network. Yes I'm going to run the tren ace. Thanks for your reply Matt!
Bro not to be a dick but diet and training is all u need you have a lot of natty test don't mess your self up I will give u my own time to help with diet training at 19 you have not even reached your natural limits
definitely not being a dick and no offense taken, but I am however ~6 weeks into test E and I've always had a good diet. :/ Well not always, but to diet and make it to where I've gotten now... You may think I'm some idiot, but I'm just looking for some good advice on adding this in.