+ 1 Bulk cycle Advice Test/Deca/Dbol
This is my first post here. Getting ready to start my Fall/winter Bulk cycle in October. Would like some critique and any advice or help would be much apreciated. Have done quite a few test only cycles and have been very patient about adding other compounds until now. This is my first time adding other compounds like deca dbol and maybe anavar? So here goes.
The Juice:
Week 1-16 750mg Test E (375mg 2x week)
Week 1-14 600mg Deca (300mg 2x week.)
Week 1-5 Dbol 50mg ed
Week 11-16 Anavar 50-75mg ed?
Week 12-14 hcg 500iu 2x week
The AI's and support:
Week1-16 Adex .50mg eod
Prami on hand
Vitamins, fish oils, liv52 thru out
The PCT:
Clomid: 50/50/25/25
Nolva: 20/20/10/10
Might not run nolva since i heard its not advised to run after deca. Would also like some advice on this.
Stats:
Age 26
Height: 5'4
Weight: 190lb
Bodyfat: 11-13% (gained a little fat after my summer cut since i took a long two month vacation and stopped keeping track of calories/macros) lol.
Been lifting/training consistently since i was 18 whether it was militarty pt or on my own.
Diet: Will be in check around 3300-3600 calories with 40/40/20 macros p/c/f. Those macros have always worked for me on and off cycle.
Goal: To finally hit that 200lb mark. Being so short as me its hard to be up at a solid 200 lol. And of course to increase my PR's in the big three.
Training: Will be training 5-6x week. My routines are mostly powerbuilding routines.
Again looking for positive critiques/adjustments/tweaks. Anything helps. Always looking for new knowledge. Nobody knows everything. Thats why we are all here ;).
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Thank you everyone for the great advice. Its much apreciated. Here are some options i came up with for the gear with ur guys advice. Let me know what u guys think.
Option 1:
Week 1-12 Test E 600mg
Week 1-10 Deca 400mg
Week 1-12 aromasin 25mg eod
Week 4-12 Prami .25mg eod
Option 2:
Week 1-12 Test E 600mg
Week 1-4 Dbol 50mg ed
Week 1-4 adex .5mg eod
Week 5-12 aromasin 25mg eod
Really wish i could run both test and deca with dbol but i guess i have to stay patient and not get ahead of myself.
Also had a question on proviron. Never used before but i can get it. When would it be ok to use during this cycle?
Option 2 with Provi 25mg ed beginning week 1 along side dbol 50mg and ur test is gonna be a great run for u. You will want to get some saw palmetto too and use 1-2 caps, while using provi and more than likely thru.the rest of the cycle and after.
Adex and exemestane are different and they react differently on everybody. This is why monitoring for signs & symptoms of high estro after initiating aas is critical, especially in combination with blood work and low dose/minimal frequency administration of your AI of choice. Many times working with an AI is just as important as working with a new steroid. U can use both AIs in ur cycle, just be careful you dont administer too high, or too low, and too frequent, or too infrequent. We are here for you.
Thank you so much! I appreciate all of this. I love learning new things.
RustyhookerExcellent! !! ^^^^^^^^ Very concise
TY, sir...
Hey man your edit much nicer . I think as a previous cycles you have option 2 great . About Adex I think make it lower a bit for longer of course if you are a gyno person . About proviron you can take it from day one as 25 mg or 50 but because the proviron a bit work as Adex keep it after Adex. I took with Adex. 2 weeks on 2 off . Because his effect on prostat. Good edit
Thanks for the advice!
The experts give you good advice , specially about AI from day one because dbol. And hcg from week 4 . And little advice don't take it longer than 12 weeks , as long as you are not compete or professional. The deca for long will shut you down , and don't forget caber. First time adding another compound then you decide to add deca for 14 weeks, and dbol for 5 weeks , think again friend , 26 years old and I guess this is the third for you , so welcome to AAS. Read about more
And do what you see it better for you .
you can run nolva in pct bro, no worries, that pct looks a bit weak for the cycle, extend it to 6 weeks and dose like this-
clomid- 100-100-50-50-50-25
nolva- 0- 60-40-40-40-40-20
your running adex for 16 weeks- your going to suffer re-bound- then your doing a hcg protocol also, so in this circumstance- add aromasin in your pct, run it for 14 days, the first week of pct is only clomis ( making sure deca has fully cleared, adding the aromasin will prevent rebound and gyno in that week, then in week 2 the nolva begins then end of week 2 aromasin stops and nolva has your titties covered,you have the prami "on hand" you will need it! start week 8 if no symptoms occur earlier, run this all the way up to pct.scrap anavar, see how you respond with sex drive/ libido etc, bloods! you may want to lower deca if you get the sides, dont up your test- lower deca, its already enough gear bro, be patient, deca takes time to work and build uo but when it does its satisfying.
bloods, ancilaries, diet, rest, bulk! test/deca.dbol classic bulker that works if you do it properly!
Cool! Great advice. I can extend the pct no problem i have enough stuff. And i can get aromasin. Another question. Is hcg necessary? Or can i drop if i dont get aromasin on hand. Just to be clear. And should i run adex less then all 16 weeks. I haven't had to run adex the whole cycle before because i didnt have much side effects in my test cycles. Just when I felt a little estro signs and it would go away quick with adex. I respond pretty well to test
use the hcg if your nuts vanish or atrophy early on, other than that the 2 week blast at end is fine, you will need an ai for the dbol, i would use it for the first 6 weeks then get bloods, see your estro reading, if its cool drop off it for a while, if no symptoms say 4 weeks later jump back on it, again bloods are key in gauging this, 16 weeks of adex aint healthy, you should of got aromasin, better control and no rebound.
Thanks for the advice on hcg.i can get aromasin. Run that instead of adex?
if its an option, yes bro. now what you do is get out your pen and paper, write it out in a detailed list from scratch- re-post it then we will double check it all for you bro, im on a nice deca cycle now, about week 12, i growing almost daily, im running 800 test and 500 deca, been pulsing anadrol on and off, im around 240 pounds, almost 110kgs, eating like a beast, drinkig 2 litres of milk and 3 litres of water daily, heaps of red meat, chicken, rice and pasta, food is where its at mate, you gotta get the calories to minimum of 6000, im doing 400 protein and around same carbs for bulking, and by the way, i have had a broken leg for about 9 weeks and suffering a brain injury, and i am pumped and swole as fuck. ( i done aggressive front loading)
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X2..agree with calorie increase....6000 is a beeeootch...lol...paralleling carbs and protein a plus too...good foods can help heal a foot fast....especially pulsing that oral...got tudca?...lol...
RustyhookerJust remember bro he's only run test only cycle. He shouldn't need a monster. Dudes stats are good but he'll have less issues being simple
? it says "quite a few" test cycles.
I think he meant that i have only ran one compound before in my previous cycles
Ok so if i cant get aromasin and only have adex run it during dbol weeks 1-5. Drop for a while us blood test is ok. Then pick it up again towards week 10? And does pulsing dbol work just like pulsing anadrol?
Also how would running adex during dbol and then dropping it after week 5 and using aromasin till the end of cycle after discontinuing dbol?
Monitor for signs and symptoms of high estro,like acne, swollen.ankles, sensitive nips, lethargy...if u dont get those get your BW done and start a dose of AI. If u do get acne, or bumps on ur chest and head, start AI
Dbol aromatizes fast. So u will.see and feel it quick, while the test is building slowly. This is where provi will help u too. I think these 3 compounds are better suited for you at this time. test/dbol with good diet would be good, even if u didnt want to run provi....
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Pre, mid and post cycle bloodwork...use minimal compounds and moderate doses...like bros are mentioning...
Get some proviron..
Thumbs up brother for puttin it up before startin...
Ok couple of concerns
1. Way to many new compounds at once
2. Deca can be a complete motherfucker to recover from and you need to ask yourself if the risk is worth the reward.
You've got a couple cycles under your belt and have probably learned how to deal with estrogen at the test levels you have run. Now you want to increase your test dosage. Then add in D-bol and HCG, both which aromatizes like crazy. That's 3 new estrogen variables that you will have to learn to deal with. Then you want to add in Deca that can throw so many curve balls at you, while you are still trying to figure out what the higer test, HCG, and D-bol might do to you. I think there is just too much potential for some nasty sides that you might not be able to fix quick enough.
I would either add the orals to 600mg/wk of test.
Or add Deca to 600mg/wk of test and run the hcg the whole time.
Thanks for the advice. I think im just getting a little too excited since i have all this gear on hand. So u suggest test and dbol only or test and deca only?
It is so easy to get ahead of ourselves with gear, I know I have. You are young and have plenty of time ahead of you so pick one new compound and try it out. You will be better off because you can figure out exactly how the new compound reacts with your body.
You are right! Thank you i am leaning to just 2 compounds to see how i react to one new compound so i know what to expect next time i use it. I just havent made up my mind as to either trying deca or trying dbol first
Rustyhooker+2.
RustyhookerMighty midget! Post your prior cycles out fully. Cycle looks a bit overkill.
What's prolactin? What's hcg?
Lol if you cant grow taller, you gotta get stronger and more muscular lol.
First couple cycles were test cyp 400mg a week. Then test e 500mg a week. Last one was test e 600mg a week. All with typical clomid/nolva pct and adex thru out cycles. All cycles were 12 weeks
Well i know prolactin symptoms you get from deca can be low libido/erectile dysfunction (deca dick), puffy or sensitive nipples discharge from nipples and know u need either caber bromo or prami to combat. My source only had prami so thats what i have.
I also forgot to mention this is my first time using hcg (Human Chorionic Gonadotropin). But from my understanding and research, in short, it helps ur recovery from hard shut down and makes the boys down there recover better during heavy cycles.
Any advice would help. Thank you. I can adjust anything seeing that i have more than enough gear on hand. This is just a rough draft.
RustyhookerI would save the var for the spring. And as a stack 600/400 should be plenty. I'll let the deca guys jump in here. Npp was fun at 300.
Yeah i was thinking i can save my var for summer cut next year where ill introduce tren ace with test prop.
So ur saying 600mg test and 400 deca a week?