posted Sat, 09/22/2012 - 12:40
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age 57
height 6'7"
weight 260
BF 10-11%
I just finished week 8 of a 12 week cycle of Test E. 500 mg's a/wk. I just got my blood work back and the results are a little alarming. If my test levels are as high as it states then I should feel like a gorilla. So I'm wondering if the results are off due to the fact that I took a shot the day before. I'm thinking about cutting my cycle short and begin pct in 2 wks. and allow for levels to get back to norm. Comments welcomed...
Testosterone serum 7055 ( results confirmed on dilution )????
LH 0.1
FSH Serum 0.2
Estradiol 218.0
AST 142
AST 221
LIPID PANEL W/ LDL/HDL RATIO 95
HDL CHOLESTEROL 39
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AnonMy test levels pre cycle were in the low 600's. That was about 6 months before cycle. Last cycle before that was a year ago. I'll read the stickie you recommended. Thanks
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.Permalinktread-mBrother I'll restate my previous thoughts with you are 57, I go to trt and forget pct ever got mentioned period. That great big number you have is going to drop straight through the floor once you pct and then you will see the reality of your previous low test. You may not have noticed its gradual decline over yrs but with the comparison now you will notice in a big way.
I'm guessing you had pre-bloods to confirm your low test number. Let me say , docs love the term "fine or normal for your age". there is no "for your age". This is a necessary hormone and AT ANY AGE, there is low, normal and high, period. Below 300 there is nothing to discuss, you are low and that low number is causing slow health decline. Think of it this way, the low number in and of itself is a predisposition for disease of "ALL" sorts be it cancer or obesity or high bp, low hormone production all around and low metabolic rate. Why would one even consider not running trt? If you have a condition that has proven to cause health decline and we have a cure for that condition why on earth would you not want the cure? Real simple here for me, go to trt and work the AI to pull your estro under control. You will be quite surprised at how much more effective your test use will be. Read the stickie "test and estrogen " in the general to explain the SHBG issue you are currently dealing with even before we discuss the other negativves in high estro. At 57 IMO you are spinning your wheels cycling without trt. You will rise in test on cycle and if done right in AI use you make gains and appreciations to the body, then you drop to your low natty levels and the negatives that occur from that decline in hormone will eat away anything you deemed beneficial from your cycles. Best case scenario, one step forward one step. And may even soon find yourself in the 2 steps back mode.
AnonHave run cycles of test e/deca 16 wks and test/eq previously w/ nolva and proviron w/ no gyno. never said proviron was an ai. not gonna panic because the estro is up. gonna try some phytoestrogens to bring the level down in the meantime and will do pct as planned with or without ai. what i could of had is really not a factor at this moment, so let's not beat a dead horse.
Went thru your forums. Provi is not an ai......i say it all the time because ...welll....the bloods are the proof. Ai is only adex or aromasin. You could have had great gains on this cycle had it been done correctly. Problem now is whether you gonna grow boobs.
Purchase peptides ai.....IMMEDIATLY! Get online now and get the aromasin to your door now. Pay extra if needed. If you order now you should have it by Monday. 25Mg/day for a week....then 12.5 everyday. Use it right thru end of pct using cdaddy pct program.
You have any nipp issues? Get letro as well just incase!!!
cdaddy7Also Cam is right about the niacin, BUT it must be Slo-Niacin.....not flush free.....nicotinic acid and not niacinamide....it will flush u but that's just the vasodialation of blood vessels and increased circulation....you will tingle bc increased RBCs coming thru capillaries....instead of one, u will have two r three coming thru....niacin will def fix ur cholesterol and the ratio
AnonYeah, that is true, it appears to be the joint. The bloods don't lie. Just wasn't feeling that blast. Now I know why. We live and learn even at 57. Anyway I do have enough nolva/clomid. I'll wait the 2 wks and start pct with or without AI. Will definitely have it on hand for next cycle. Appreciate all the feedback. Thanks
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.Permalinklisten to fast he knows much better than I do.
If he's got just two Weeks left.......gotta get estro down or pct will be ugly
hes on week 8 right now of 12 we3ek cycle
Fast just for clarity can you post starting right now what he should be doing. test, no test hold on the pct, include a repost of the other instruction so its all in one place easy to understand?
Read above...nolva alone wont take that estro down fast. Get it asap....get on it.
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For future reference I would also look at ordering some letro always good to have on hand.
i like how in your review you say it could be slightly underdosed... now you know! lol
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cdaddy and every one have you spot on.. Just my 2 cents for future reference but before I use an AI seriously I take it just to make sure i get all the proper sides of low estro.. Yeh this seems a little wasteful and why would you purposely give yourself sides buuuut I'd rather find out before the cycle than mid cycle that my AI was bunk the entire time.. I've gotten bunk AI's and it's a terrible feeling when you thought you were well prepared.
cdaddy7I wouldn't suggest that myself, but everybody has their ways LOL
I'm not saying it's a must at all.. Just my two cents on the idea.. I can just say from personal experience I would rather know everything is g2g then get half way through a cycle.. do blood tests or just find out it's bunk.. feel terrible get puffy nips.. possibly drop the cycle and wait for mail frantically for another ai from a diff source.. It's just not fun. I'm still learning and I'm here to learn and share experiences is all.. Just makes me feel MUCH better the ancillaries are good before a cycle =]
cdaddy7No, I follow u bro and cant say It's not an interesting idea....that's y i say everyone does things different....there's no right or wrong in that method ...u know ur body and u know what's good and works for u and thats y i +1 you
honestly that is terrible the low estro just as bad for you in some cases worse than high estro.
I've only done it for 1 day to 2..to me it out weighs weeks of hormone imbalance that just leads to more weeks of depression and zits.. I'm not saying chug the bottle by any means..
lol. got ya
Yeah I should have been more clear.. I'd never take a lot.. I usually can tell from a low dose just because I get kind of a brain fog when anything hormonal changes the first few days, maybe lethargic.. You've experienced this in pct prlly.. I suppose it's the hormones changing that causes any brain fog but it's a clear indicator it works for me.
Good piece of learning for a short term "taster". You'll know quickly because ya get creaky quick. Then drop til needed. I do same thing with prop etc. lil half cc "taster" to quads will let ya know how the full cc eod will feel.
Open chat is great learning tools. Posting proper protochols and testing secrets.
do you have your pct? clomid, nolva?
AnonThanks, I've been waiting on the AI for almost 2 wks now. So, I'm hoping to have soon. What if I don't get it in time???? by pct???
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.Permalinkcdaddy7No AI is why ur estro is high and ur not feeling like gorilla....u r kinda in a bad place and def need to get that AI and PCT to u ASAP
X2 bro. This will be a lesson learned never to start a cycle without an AI, really never start your cycle unless you have every piece of it on day one. Listen to these guys and you will recover fine bro.
AnonStill waiting on my AI. I was using Nolva. I've been using milk thistle and just started LIV 52 also some Saw Palmetto. Hey C, is it possible for the Test to be that high bro???
total bummer man. You live and learn I guess. Im betting your next purchase will be ai and pct 1st. Hope evferything goes well for you brother.
cdaddy7Yes it is...u got top notch shit it seems :).....get those other shops I suggested too for ur cholesterol and tri...
As cdaddy said bro its time to stop. Your E2 is way too high so you will need to incorporate an AI into your pct in addition to your Nolva and Clomid. I'm surprised that the high testosterone levels didn't have a bigger impact on your HDL levels. They aren't too bad but maybe it would be wise to start taking some niacin. I'll state the obvious that your gear is overdosed so pay attention to that next time you run that gear. Your LH levels should come back up with a proper pct. as cdaddy said since you are running a long ester start two weeks from when you stop, which should be today in my opinion. Hit reps in your pct when you workout vs heavy weight bro. Try to keep up the intensity and just lower that weight.
Estrodiol level really high are you using an ai?
cdaddy7E2 real high, LH and FSH real low, Liver enzymes high...I knew you lipids would be off...I def think with this its time to stop like today...Continue to take your AI and possibly tweak it...U def need Liv52 and milk thistle...I asumme u were taking orals with no liver supp...Proviron I believe, correct??? Red Yeast Rice and CoQ10 and garlic extract will help that cholesterol...Run PCT EXACTLY like this:
Start 15 days after last Test injection
Week 1-4 Aromasin @ 6.25mg EOD
Week 1-4 Clomid 100/100/50/50
Week 1-4 Nova 20/20/20/20
AnonGood score bro, just drop your dosage a bit if your woried. At least you got legit gear lol.