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So I've been cruising for the last year or so did one blast For 10 weeks with 600 mg of test seat and six weeks in the beginning of Diana Ball 50 Made good gains. Took a month or two off got my body fat back down And now I'm planning a 12 week cycle with test cyp at 600 mg 500 mg of deca and 500 mg of tren enth a week split into two shots.I'm going to use Anadrol 50 for the first four weeks to jumpstart and winstrol 50 for the last 3 weeks to lean out a lil. Just looking for some input??
Forgot to mention running deca and tren 2-3 weeks less than test and I have anastrozole on hand. My blood work is dialed I have a trt doc
My diet and macros are also in check.
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this is a bad cycle, all the way around, go back to the drawing boards and come up with something new.
What other cycles have you done?
Been on trt dose for the last year 150 mg test cyp split into two pins and hcg 500 iu . I did a blast of dbol week 1-6 and 600 mg test week 1-12
Are you running the hcg 2 times a week? 500iu.
Yes 250 iu tues and sat, .75 mg of test cyp wed and sun. .25 mg of anastrozole mon and thurs, zinc citrate ( natural ai), 7 kelated dhea and pregnenalone everyday. Test score 1087 last bloods two weeks ago and estradiol 4 which is slightly low for cycle and gains but I'm just cruising so 2 weeks after starting cycle I will do labs again and throughout cycle will adjust estradiol
This is what I would run if you want but
1-14 600mg test e
1-16 500 mg eq
Thx for the input so eq gives more lean gains correct?
Yes less water retention then deca. Helps me be more hungry so I can eat more.
So what are the advantages of running decca as opposed to eq??i mean why would one choose to run decca instead??
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/my-take-on-the....
This is frim one of the greats zewi aka vewi.
Deca- Deca-Durabolin,Anabolic/Androgenic ratio: 125:37 or nandrolone decanoate, is a progestin steroid that produces very high anabolic activity and significant mass increase with milder and fewer side effects than some other steroids.-----side effects are- increase blood pressure, water retention, decreased sperm count,Deca Dick—Deca also helps the conversion rate of test into estro.EQ- also known as a boldenone undecyclenate Anabolic/ Androgenic ratio: 100:50(about 50% converts to estro) will increase stamina and vascularity or prominent, visible veins as well as slow but steady gains in strength and muscle with very few estrogen-related side effects.--- oily skin, acne, increased body and facial hair—Eq must be taken for a longer time.Conclusion: "BroSience"-- EQ must be taking @ 600mg min for best results--Deca can be taking @ 200mg a week and still get the benefits from it on the ligaments. As for a weekly dose of Deca--it really comes down to what you can handle--IMO ive always liked the 750mg Test and 500 deca a week.--or if new to Deca-- 500mg test 300mg deca.size/mass/strength = Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - A lot of that Size is water, and you will lose that water when you are done.—Faster results can take it in a shorter time. If you want size fast and strength this is for you. However, NPPhardness/vascularity/some strength = Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate –Size can be just as good as on Deca because EQ makes you eat.. 5000cals are easy when using EQ.—Must take it longer min 14 weeks—better at 16 best at 18---However, with EQ C , and A results can be faster and can help when achieve certain goals.Lastly:-- the real reason I choose EQ over Deca is because of Decas ability to help the conversion process of test into estro. This can be seen by many users. The can take test and eq –but going over to test and Deca they have gyno issues or sensitive nipples—Eq only converts to about 50% estro. However, if you want strength and you want to gain more size Deca is the way to go if you have your AI in place and either letro or caber on hand. The both have their place, Just IMO Eq is the better overall when weighing side effects to results over time. –But I will always pick EQ over Deca---But there is no doubt that Deca has it place, in all cycles, and a Bulking cycle if your not prone to sides.
Thx bro really appreciate you guys taking the time to help, way cool.
No problem just keep it simple you still can take less gear and get what you want gear just helps you it won't make you.
Give us some background brother. Whats your age? What brought you to TRT and how long have you been on it? I've been TRT for quite some time and it's important to remember that TRT patients operate under a little different set of rules than those who run traditional cycles. That being said, your proposed layout needs a lot work. But we can fix it for you. +1 for posting and asking for help.
Sorry to clarify here was my last blast / cycle
Week1-6 50 mg dbol
Week1-12 test cyp 600 mg
Week 1-12 hcg 500 iu
Age 36 test levels were on the mid lower end at around 400 Sbgh was super high and I was in pretty good shape with a good diet. I've been on 150 mg of test cyp and 500 iu of hcg for the last year . Also dhea zinc citrate and pregnenalone . My blood is perfect. Did one blast w dianabol 50mg for 6 wks and 600 mg test cyp split into two shots and 500 iu of hcg in two shots.
Is this doctor prescribed or did you take the plung yourself? With your minimal cycle experience, you could do really well simply running test at 600mg/week with aromasin at 12.5mg every other day for 10-12 weeks. Then back it back down to your TRT dose after that. You could safely add oral in there as well like tbol or abombs. Have your liver supps implemented as well. Very good gains can be made from a simple test cycle when diet and exercise are on point.
Yes this is a doctor that I have been working with who specializes in TRT The cycle that you mentioned is basically what I have done previously but I wanted to add Decca to it also this time. I have anastrozole all on hand and I took that 50 mg pretty much every other day and it seemed to work fine.got estradiol levels checked during my cycle to make sure it was in check
Anastrozole is arimidex and it's dosed at 1mg per tab. You probably have your doses mixed up. .5mg or 50mcg ed is probably what you ran. Add 300mg of deca to the 600mg of test if you want. That will keep prolactin related sides to a minimum and give you the oportubity to see how your body responds to a new compound.
So running that amount of decca it's pretty safe to say that I won't need anything for prolactin correct??
No, sounds like you should stay away from deca it's got harsh side effects especially if you don't know what you are doing.
That's about as generic as a statement can be. I've ran deca 4 times with great success and little to no issues. I ran it once and it was a disaster. It's all about your level of knowledge and attention to the details. He can easily run 250-300mg of deca a week and not have any problems if he follows the basic protocols of running such a compound. Everything we to has it's own set of risks and negatives that may become problematic. Heck even eq can cause your rbc to become so high that your blood becomes dangerously thick. I'd rather see him jump on to deca instead of tren e if he's dead set on adding something in.
that's true, I guess if he has proviron and caber he be fine! Man I must just be really sensitive to nandrolone then as an individual. I get worse sides from deca at 200-400mg then I do tren at 1g no lie..
But yea I think 250 is cool as long as he has hcg/caber/proviron
I wasnt giving you shit or anything. Hope you didn't think that. Deca is just one of those compounds that has a really bad rap, mainly because it is frequently used incorrectly. Often many first time or noobie juicers will make the mistake of running deca by itself. That's clearly a problem. It can be harsh and can cause you serious issues if ran recklessly. As long as his ancillaries are on point and he pays close attention to his body, deca can be a safe choice for him. I'm actually running it at 500mg/week right now with 1g of test e. I've ran short eaters for a long time and decided to run long esters this time to give my sites a little more of a break. Mother of god this cycle is boring. Making nice gains though.
Yes def gonna save tren for later use . Btw sent you a pm had a few quedtions
I didn't get one from you brother. Need to send me a friend request before you can pm me.
I wouldn't completely rule it out because everyone responds differently. Just pay attention to the signs such as itchy or sore nips or a droopy dong.
So jay-dub suggested eq instead of decca?? Tomorrow understanding it gives More lean gains this is why I wanted to run tren. What do you think?? What would be the advantage of running decca other than its already on its way supposedly that is haha
Deca is gonna be more of a wet bulker. You can put on impressive size, but it won't all be lean. Eq is an excellent choice, but it needs to be ran high and for a long time. Generally 15 weeks is about minimum. The gains will usually be lean, but it does stimulate your appetite which can lead to fat gain if you're not on point with diet and cardio. Tren is a different can of worms all together. It's a seriously powerful drug, not only on the physical, but on the psysiological level as well. It can turn you into a different person that our loved ones generally do not like. The sides are on a different level as well. Night sweats, insomnia, high bp, prolactin related sides, etc. That's not the case for everyone, but in many cases it is. I'd suggest that you run deca or eq before you consider tren. Tren should be left until you've covered all the basics and are maybe not achieving the gains off other compounds that you have previously. I've blasted tren ace numerous times. Never touched tren e though.
Ok so I've heard of Ed issues with decca and that I should run more test as you suggested than decca also stopping decca 2-3 weeks prior to lowering test dose so I guess I will get some to have on hand
Rt on bro thx for the input I know my initial cycle that I posted was a little heavy just got carried away. Yes that's what I was running .5 my bad. By the way disregard that p.m. I found caber from my source A <scam LOL. I had a local source but it's no good right now So I think I found a good ugl
First do some research on your decca tren combo. You can run one but not both. And if your running tren and decca your going to need more then anazole if you done want to be milking yourself do some reading. Just don't start throwing thing in cause you think they can lean you out clor get you big. Just my .02
Thx for the reply much appreciated
you got that mixed up bro anastrzole is for estrogen and you dont lactate from estrogen its from progesterone so he needs prami or caber to combat that but he needs to go back to the drawing board
Yea that is what I was saying he would also need to run that as well with anastrzole. Didnt get it mixed up just didn't word it right I guess.
read it wrong mad bad bro
No need for prami Or caber if I drop tren correct? Anastrozole will do the trick rt?
read my post tren and decca are both 19 nors so you need to run caber with both
If you run deca you will need that also for prolaction.
56tooBro throw this away and go back to the drawing board . You have a LOT to learn!! No disrespect intended
Thx for the reply, I've heard about running tren higher than test and vice versa also running test higher than deca . What if I drop the tren to 150 mg and deca down a bit to 400 mg??
ok well first you really need to do research and alot of it you are not ready for tren to harsh of a compound and your not at that level yet second you want to 2 19nor together not the brightest idea and you dont even have caber or prami to combat the progesterone sides not trying to be a dick but before i even thought about running gear i did about a year of research and had all the basics down pat
Thanks for the reply don't worry about being harsh that's why I'm asking for help I remember reading about it not being wise to do 19 nors together my bad. I actually have done lots of research but I'm still learning. Judging from the replies I think I'm going to drop tren at least for a while and just go with
Decca
Prolactin levels are more of a concern with 19nor compounds than progesterone. Elevated prolactin levels are generally what causes the milky nips every man fears.
So should I have caber on hand just for decca?
Yep. Caber is your prolactin inhibitor when you run deca or tren.