posted Fri, 09/12/2014 - 13:22
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Best Possible cut/lean mass cycle?
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Tren 150mg EOD
Mast 150mg EOD
250 test a week
Anavar 100mg ed
How's this sound?
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Tren 150mg EOD
Mast 150mg EOD
250 test a week
Anavar 100mg ed
How's this sound?
Sorry for so many responses by me.. Just want to make this perfect. This next 8 weeks is going to be the best shape I can possibly get in, then going to take along break.. Long one. Rest, so going to give it my all for the next 8 weeks. Would throwing in Clen or ephedrine or t3 help me shred down for the shoot? Or is the mast/tren fine. Thanks once again guys!!
Hey guys I'm new to using this so not sure if you will all be able to see this, first off thanks for the responses. I'll be honest I didn't think anyone was going to comment at all. So thanks once again
Now my descision is to do Test 250 a week
Tren A - 100 EOD
Mast P - 100 EOD.. Diet is chicken and broccoli and brown rice. My profile pic is me, in pretty shitty shape right now, any other suggestions? I'm taking 5g fish oil a day. 5g hawthorn.. ( I know a lot) on cycle support and caber/aromasin. All the good stuff, please reply to let me know you all see this and your thoughts!
4th cycle and 26 years old. You've already done tren but it's highly suppressive so let's not be in too much of a rush to ruin your bodies natural ability to produce test.
Have you looked into EQ? This your weight and bf% you could lay down some quality lean mass with this compound and test.
The cycle would take more time but you should feel a whole lot better than running ten/mast etc.
I'd propose;
Weeks 1-18 test c or e @ 400mg ew
Weeks 1-16 equipoise @ 600mg ew
This cycle will not cut you but for lean mass, it's worked for me.
Pct 15 days after your last shot. You do have your pct down right?
If this is your 4th cycle, you should have an idea of the ai's you require.
Your decent bf% and a healthy diet should bring some lean mass.
I've just read this again and I can see that your doing photo shoots and comps. This isn't an area that I have any experience. I therefore don't know it my advise above would be the best for you in your situation. I'd seek further advise from a more experienced member
Sounds like you should post up a pic to show us this body you have that needs a cycle like this....it must be very impressive if you think a cycle like this is a good idea...what's your cycle history and full stats
Really? I was thinking it was going to get bashed for it being a small cycle? 150 EOD? That's 75 ed which is small. So cut out anavar?
What's your previous cycle history?
Test e/ dbol first cycle. Test / deca second cycle, and third was tren/mast/test at 50mg EOD ... People have told me 50mg EOD is weak for those. So thought upping it would be good, have a huge photoshoot shoot and comp not long after.. Lol
Thabk you for your respectful reply and if that's you in the profile pic thanks for that as well...that really helps...so before you were running 525mg of mast/tren/test in total/week...I personally don't like running all three of those compounds at equal dosages but we can get to that later...now you're considering running those at 1300mg/week and 700mg/wk of var...this is a huge leap...but let me ask you people said 50mg eod is low but how were your results there? I do not believe tripling or quadrupling your gear intake will provide 4x the results...we may want to just adjust a few compounds individually and possibly even switch a few out
I agree, I don't think he needs to to from 50mg eod to 150. Moving up to 100eod would be a great cycle.
Sounds extremely unhealthy bro..
Can you give reasons why this is unhealthy?
Cut out anavar. Thoughts ? This is 4th cycle, 26 y/o 6'1 201 11% bf
2 grams of gear a week? Sounds ridiculous.
How do you calculate short esters in a weekly dose?
My maximum mg count is 800...
AT the end of the week this dude took 2000mgs of gear.......
When using a weekly dose formula we are counting the accumulated dose, which in this cycle is only accurate for the test-e. If a short esters leaves the body in a maximum of 3 days then the maximum accumulated dose would not be calculated by week but by 3 days. So his max tren-a dose would be 225mg, same with mast. And the var would be calculated the same. I don't remember isn't it like 12 hours ? So maximum var dose would be something like 75mg at any given time.....that is if you wanted to calculate this way. The truth is the accurate esters would be even less for short esters. And can be less if pinning ED.
I understand what your saying how your really cant calculate shorts weekly, but you can. This is not about a weekly dose formula i wasn't t being that sophisticated lol. All I was trying to say is at the end of the week this guy has put 2000mgs of gear in his body. Theres no doubt about it. As you know the problem is short esters dont leave the body in 3 days, they do one half-life cleave of the ester. So that 150mgs is now 75 and i believe it takes 6 half life cleaves to rid the body of the drug. Anavar is the only drug he's taking that could leave the body in 3 days. I dont think that was point gear head was trying to make and neither was I. Just that his total dose per week was 2000mgs.
I see what you guys are doing, of course it sounds like a lot of gear, your adding up short esters. But I can assure you your thinking is wrong. What would you say to a guy running tne, pinning 5 times a day to keep a 100mg dose steady? Your using 3500mg/w that's ridiculous? Why?....When the esters leaves the body that fast we don't add it up. We'll you can but for people that understand cycling it don't make any sense. There's a thread on it from a long time ago, let me see if I can find it. I'm on my phone right now so I'll just bump it. Should come up in general.
Bro, I wasn't making a sophisticated point, but now I will. Even with the shorts, using a 3 day half-life and a 10 day half-life for the long your effective dose keeps climbing. For just eight weeks it looks like the following:
It will continue to rise. I understand with apodictic certainty how these cycles work, I've been at it long enough. And, IMHO, pinning suspension or TNE 5 times a day is ridiculous. That's just my opinion, though. I'm sure others may disagree.
TNE is used as an example, you cant even say im pinning 400mg/d and it be close to accurate, the first 2 pins in the day would have left the body. But before i get into my understanding of short esters, what is the link to this graph you are referring to? id like to figure out how your getting plasma levels of 1400 from this cycle.
This is from anabolic steroid calculator - I believe you have a copy of the software. The increase in total plasma is being driven by the long ester. I like simplicity, Noid. If the OP said here were pinning 500 mg / wk of EQ and 500 mg / wk of Deca and 1,000 mg / wk. of Test Undecanoate and I said he was taking 2 g a week of gear we would all accept that at face value because there is a tradition of doing so. But that is also not accurate as the plasma levels will climb far beyond 2g as the cycle progresses. So, you cannot add longs together either but we all do. The purpose of my post was not to get into an academic debate on this subject. I simply said the OP is taking 2 g a week of gear and he surely is. That's all. And certainly if someone were proposing to me to use TNE as a base and required 35 shots per week to do it, I would say that was ridiculous. Your example of TNE is perfect. --- 3.5 10ml bottles of Test, 3,500 mg / wk of hormone to maintain a few hundred mg of active testosterone. (for a product dosed at 100 mg / ml). The very picture of absurdity.
I was certainly wondering cause it dont make sense for a short ester. im not sure what the purpose is of posting the graph with long esters when we are talking about short esters.
your right I would because they ester is not dropping off.
well im sorry about that but I would like to understand why you think this is right, and post my reasoning for thinking its wrong. we are here to learn right?
yes it does, but were not talking about what it will climb too
whether its absurd or not has nothing to do with this post, for educational purposes TNE makes it easier to understand but ill talk about others as well.
Earlier in the thread you said that the plasma levels will continue to rise, even with shorts and I agree. There is compounds like test prop and NPP they take me about 10 days to really kick, thats just experience not by taking blood tests every couple days. but then there is other compounds that are much more pronounced in some people, me included, like tren-a. this compound has never failed me, pin mon morn and sleep like shit tue night, its always the second day it hits. But I can run it straight for 5 weeks and miss a shot and sleep fine that night too, its drastic decline is obvious as well.
for me it really is simple, if i pin 500mg of test-e I lay it out as 500mg/w because I know that at the end of the week I will have the majority of that 500mg still in my system.
Looking at any of the roid calculators ive used they all show that when I pin a short ester, by the 3rd day most of it has left the body, maybe 10% is still there, and that has always been for me the build up that you where talking about. or why I dont feel it really kick until 10 days after starting.
Its that decline in ester on the 3rd day that makes a weekly mg incorrect. I can not say that I pinned 100mg/d of a short ester and at the end of the week I now have 700mg in my body. However i can say I pinned 100mg/d of a long ester and have the majority of that in my body.
Im sure you have already read this but for other people wanting to learn its a good read
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/test-prop-and-counting-...
Cut out anavar, too much $$. Now thoughts?