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Which cycle has given you the best overall results?
Which cycle (if any) has given you bad or the worst results (and why if you know)?
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Test e, deca, anadrol- best for bulking up and weight gain/ thickness.
Test e, tren e, dbol- best for lean mass gain, vascularity and strength.
Test e, deca, eq, anadrol - felt slow, sluggish and tired.
Did not enjoy.
Test e @ 250mgs every 2 days with a bit of nolvadex for gyno protection.
The best! Felt good, got bigger, no sides.
Trenbolona ace 70mg 3 per week
Winstrol 50 mg daily
7 weeks total duration
Significant fat loss and lean gain. Increase strength muscle separation show
The sweating profusely was only side
Over 6 years ago I may do again
Since I started this thread I guess I should pipe in with my best and worst.
Best: Test, Tren and Primo. I debated going with EQ over Primo but with Primo I always needed less AI, didn’t get the water retention and for me Primo is better on the hairline. Always saw good solid gains. (Always had Aromasin and Caber and did take when needed/somewhat regularly).
Worst: A lot of you may disagree but for me Winstrol always messed up my mood and my libido. They all affect us differently and I know people who love Winstrol but it just wasn’t for me. Tren (which is known to cause some mood issues) never caused them like Winny did for me.
Favorite Mass Cycle: Anadrol-Sust-Tren-HGH
That should certainly do the trick. You can't beat Anadrol for mass, but I love taking Sustanon at the tail end of a cycle because it's always been such a quality compound to me and I don't lose much of my gains from it.
Yeah I'd say thats a helluva mass cycle. Love it
Whoa! Yeah I could see how that would put on a little mass lol.
Nice
No messin about!
Was long ago..1993 to be exact!
*Old Russian Dbol 5mg tabs(pharma grade)
Foil strips w/ black Russian writing
(Took 5 a day 25mg)
*Russian cadaver GH(pharma grade)
WE DID 10 IU's A WEEK
Came in 10iu very tall skinny glass bottles
(Almost looked liked ampules w/ rubber stops on top) w/ Russian writing
*Polish Sustanon 250(pharma grade)
Came in those pink boxs 250mg Polish writing
Took 2 or 3 a week!
Cadaver HGH(Russian) was still floating around; & at that time they were screening it for Jakobs disease!! Extraction and purification procedure were refined and improved by then 1985. I remember my training partner actually called the lab in Russia & talked to manufacture about our concerns. They talked about strict sceening at the time. Was expensive AF, but i got mine at a super discount cuz I helped **** them. Anyway, Russia & Sweden companies still made cadaver GH until 2000.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growth_hormone_therapy
Those were the days!
Wow! Never heard someone actually say they used that Russian cadaver GH before. Bet that cost a fortune back then! Did you notice a difference on 10iu a week? I don’t think I’d have trusted them to be giving me the ones that were negative for JKD lol
The dbol was naposim I guess and the sust would have been omnadren? I remember getting fake omna’s years ago, bastards! Looked identical to the real thing but got nothing from them.
I read that the reason those naposim were so strong was that they were a mix of dbol and methyltest.
Turns out I can’t edit this post above now but it wouldn’t have been naposim if it was russian dbol as that was made in Romania.
5mg tabs of perfection. 4/5 pd was all you needed. The crap going around these days bears no comparison. They were like an anti depressant!
I remember they had a sweet taste to them.
"MetaHapoctehonoh" in black & silver foil strips.
PcushionDude you talking about the past is awesome. Your experiences with gh are fascinating man. I have read about original gh but never actually heard, or read for this matter a first hand account. I like the vibe man.
Was a way different scene back then! No internet & stuff was harder to get(had to be connected), but all pharma quality. I remember the pharma GH Protropin was $400 for 70iu only! Blue bottles w/ little kid cartoon on it. My workout partner who was a true freak & used to stack the GH on cycle! Who does that? He would stack Protropin and Genotropin or Protropin and the Russian cadaver GH on top of his cycles. They have different amino acid sequences. The guy was ahead of his time. I've never heard of anybody doing that even nowadays. Had a barrel chest like Arnold or Mike Katz. Also, Methandriol dipropionate was used on top every cycle for sensitizing the androgenic receptors of the muscle cell. It's not around anymore and the newbies/bro science soo called know it all's don't even know about it. Doesn't look special on paper but works like a charm in a low-dose included in the stack. Old school secret!
https://www.steroid.com/Methandriol-Dipropionate.php#
I actually still have 2 unopened vials of that stuff I never used - I could never really find much about it and what I did wasn't very positive so just kept it in case Lol
Time to bang it in when the gyms open again and let us know how it goes then bud :-) which brand? CENSORED? That’s the only company I know of making it currently I think.
Yeah it's CENSORED mate! Aah well ya see because I'm so obsessed with training I have it all at home bud so have carried on training through the pandemic - the thought of not training for 10 weeks would have destroyed me by now. Have a power rack, flat bench, dip station, tonnes of 20's and 25's etc.
Yeah I just couldn’t buy all the equipment I’d need, too expensive and out of stock everywhere so I’ve just been making do with bodyweight exercises and cardio for now, hoping the gyms will open soon.
Didn’t realise you weren’t allowed to talk lab names in here, we’ve been neg’d and censored for it all down this page! :-( thought it was just suppliers you weren’t allowed to mention.
Gyms finally opened up a few days ago near me! Feeling the rebound already after 3 days! SoreAF
Your friend must have been an absolute baller to run all that GH! Have heard of people topping up their pharma grade gh with cheaper generics but not of people using different gh with different amino acid sequences, interesting.
Always wondered if methandriol dipropionate worked or not, remember reading about it a bit back in the day. You know I think CENSORED sell it still if you look it up. You really thought it made a real impact? How much did you add into the cycles?
100mg's every 3.5 days on top
Thanks bud
Wasn't it Vermodje that did the Naps?
No mate, the original was made by a company called CENSORED and CENSORED copied the name.
Edit to say: Actually I’m going to make an edit to my original post about this as although I’m correct in what I’m saying about naposim being made by CENSORED, that is a Romanian company not Russian that he is talking about. Having double checked, it doesn’t look like the Russian stuff had a name as such, just looks like it was the chemical name written in Russian though I could be wrong.
I kinda had an idea that CENSORED copied that name on purpose Lol Who in your opinion produces the best most effective Dbol of all time then?
I also liked the little known version from Dominican Republic! "Anabolex" 3mg tab w/ an appetite stimulant in the pill. As long as you take 5 tabs a day!! Kaboom!
https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=101171968
That’s going back some aswell BJ, remember reading about them also.
Yeah for sure mate!
Used to love CENSORED Pronabol 5’s back in the day (late nineties/early 2000’s), CENSORED 45mg tabs I’d say were as good aswell (started those when I could no longer get pronabol). Nowadays CENSORED would be my go to lab if I were to use dbol again. Used multiple batches, probably over a thousand of the 50mg tabs over the course of about 10yrs and they have always done exactly as I expected, as good as any I’ve used ever.
Those CENSORED 50mg's are seriously effective, taking one of those is more effective than an anadrol tab for sure. I've woken up in a few hypo's off em too literally not knowing where I am at first Lol Own fault for doing them before bed and not taking in enough sugar though. The CENSORED at the moment are really good pal - BUT do you remember the CENSORED back in the day??! They weren't the best for strength but by god they gave the euphoria - I mean they felt so damn good. What exactly is it that causes that why some give it and most don't? Never had any that felt like that ever again :-( Lol
You get any of that CENSORED yet dude?
Haha mad that hypo thing mate, not heard of that before, I always take my orals early on in the day.
Yep, got some p-p mate, will be trying it for the first time mixed with waxy maize starch tomorrow.
It's because I was running them on top of 100mg Tren ace and 40mg Dbol Inj each day so keeping blood sugar levels high was tough Lol How was the PeptoPro? I was going to say it's probably best stuck with Dextrose to sweeten it up with it being quite sour and bitter tasting mate.
Ah right, never mind, will see what it’s like later today, gonna try it intra. Cheers
Ahhhhh...Russian 5mg D-bol foil pack! 1997 to be exact. Early 20’s, d-bol only, man what I didn’t know back then. Mexican sust, pre-load with 18 gauge needle, holy smokes Batman. Talk about walking with a limp. When I finally learned about PCT, one of the best cycles was D-bol, 25mg per day (accurately dosed I might add) 3x250mg per week test E, and deca 300mg 2x per week. BLEW the heck up, not a ton of water, and surprisingly vascular as heck! I keep it simple nowadays, never ran tren and may never will, but if I do jump on the tren train it would be acetate. This way, if it doesn’t agree with me I don’t have to wait days, weeks, to clear my system. I’m interested in reading other members favorite cycles.
Yeah... Those Mex glass pre load 18 guage harpoon's w/ the foil were amazing! I made the mistake of hitting the side of my leg w/ one of those! Talk about a charlie horse! I also miss those pharma grade primo amps around that time that came from Germany(clear glass amp) & South America(amber glass amp). Soo clean.
I do remember hearing stuff about that HGH years ago. I'm a little too young to go back that far with AAS but yes definitely sounds like those were the days!
No Ai's back then!!! We just had Nolva & Clomid to keep things in control! We did do HCG alot. Pharma grade though!! Looked liked an hour glass that had H20 & powder seperated!! You would push down on it & it would mix together & be ready to extract thru a rubber top. **eris was the brand! Rhymed w/ Feris :o) came in a lovely turquoise & white box! Soo glad I lived thru that time & was exposed to mostly pharma grade those years.
Although, stuff was hard to get back then. You had to be connected! No internet way back when...Much different now w/ mostly UDG lab stuff around & few clicks of a keyboard away from ordering. Who knows the quality! #thumbsdown
Testosterone and HGH was my best cycle.
Dbol and test was my worst. The dbol was too strong and made me tired and no appetite.
Dbol is one that I've never done. Heard good things but have also heard tons of potential negative sides. Plus possible ton of water retention.
I’ll never do it again. It started out great but then it just made me feel like shit. I was always hot
I find as long as I don't go over 30 mg pre-workout I get no lethargy - It's once you start hitting the 40's and 50 mg's that it tires you out. However, once into the 50's the strength gains are killer .....
Even at 30 mg it made me tired and hot. I think it was a blood pressure thing.
Good friend of mine dealt with the same thing at those lower doses. Said his BP was all over the place at times.
If its good strong Dbol it will instantly jack it up - Dbol is a funny one though, sometimes a dose will make you feel great and other times it can make you feel like utter shit. There's no rhyme or reason to it I've found. It does always sit better in the stomach after you've had a few meals though and have some sugar already in the system.
josipgatesBest - Test e ,tren e and mast e,i can do anything with that cycle,cut recomp or bulk
worst- never had very bad cycle but I don't like deca,fcks up with my mind
Hey my buddy is doing Test P, Tren A, Mast P and Var stack.
What are your thoughts on this stack he's doing?
josipgatesI like it a lot,great cycle for fast recomp
but i prefer long esters so i would go test e,mast e and tren e,maybe kickstart with tren a until e kicks in...and end cycle with var
I've never done mast before but heard a lot of good things. I am a huge fan of tren. I'm about to start a test p, tren a and mast p cycle. Wish me luck!
I know exactly what you mean on the Deca front mate - It can be worse than tren for that. BUT if you are willing to try a few different labs you'll eventually find one you get along with. I went through quite a few brands and you know the 2 that I really like :-)
josipgatesreally bad depression bro..but u are right first time i ve used deca it was just the opposite and it was different lab..NPP was all great but i must say deca hits harder for muscle gain and strength