posted Wed, 08/29/2012 - 17:36
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Best 2nd Cycle
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so everyone knows, or should, that your first cycle should be 500mg of test e/week for 12 weeks. pct started at week 14 blah, blah, blah. but what then? after 20 weeks of recovery and youre ready to cycle again what do you do? add more test? same test but add oral kickstart? go for the test + deca combo? ect. what do you guys think is best cycle after your first test only course and why?
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im really disappointed with my results from just test e and prop cycle as second run, put on 15 pounds and im in week 6 but i look the same to me. if i could do it over again i wouldve added the eq i had and some anavar
1-18 500mg test monday thursday split
1-18 700mg eq tuesday friday split
80 mg anavar 12-16
lol Its been 6 weeks and I dont look like Jay yet. Must be bunk.lol
Hahahahah... at 21yrs old you could have gained that amount of weight just eating and training correctly... what next brother 2grams of test and a bucket load of tren??
18wk runs with 2grams at 21... i hope you have your goals well set bro.
skalpadamn dude, id say 15lbs 6 weeks in even with a prop kicker are Great gains for a second run!! i hope i get as good of gains as that my second run
no shit, thats good, i dont know what the fuck he expects, if hes not satisfied with 15 in 6 weeks, then he wont be happy with another 15 in the next 6 weeks(30 pounds total). If you arent satisfied with that, then fuck it, youll never be satisfied.
tread-mAnd that is the precise problem with people running gear and making huge mistakes. Patience is dying in this world and in the world in general. Give me a guy who gained 10 "SOLID" POUNDS" in a 2 cycle turn around over the guy who put on 30 in the same time all day every day. The guy with 10 in that time usually did it rigbht and had nice recomp as well and after those 2 cycles looked 35 lbs heavier. The other guy had little to no recomp often and just ends up looking bloated and shitty but some how he's see's a beast in the mirror. That 10 pounds a year over 5 yrs is 50 solid pounds of muscle and I'll stand that guy up against the other all day every day and twice on a sunday. I love being that guy because all these
Bloated fers are constantly asking me what I run? If you're putting 30 pounds on in a cycle , you look like shit, even if you're the only one that does not know it.
sent you a request in hopes of you willing to drop knowledge on me, but then figured out how to send you a msg.... im doing my second cycle and my source is out of test e... my first cycle was sust and dbol. if i cant get test e what do you suggest big homie? for a cycle that is. your guru status , so instead of reading someones forum would you be willing to let me know whats good? plz and thank you
lol im not bloated, been taking aromasin eod and ephedrine so little bit of water maybe
You might look the same to you but others probably notice a difference. id say 15 pouns in six weeks is pretty good. As long as its not water weight.
I've done about 12 cycles and I still run test only sometimes. My summer cycle this year was 600mg of test and thats it. if your diet is on point and your working out good test is really all you need. don't get me wrong I like eq and tren as much as the next guy, but test is still the king .my winter cycle will probably be test only too. 750 mg sust . Even as a vet there's nothing wrong with test only.
tread-m"Once you do cycle" waaaay down the road, there is no reason you can't stay with test only for several cycles. The question implies there "has to be" a second compound and that mindset makes one assume they have to have it. There is plenty of achievment to be had in test only for several cycles.
skalpagreat response tread. i was thinking about that. would one use the same mg/week until they experienced diminished gains? or would one up the dose each cycle? i.e. 1st 500, 2nd. 550mg 3rd. 600mg?
tread-mThe former or the latter. It all comes down to proper kitchen work at the end of the day. If the kitchen is dialed to the goal and proper AI use is ther combined with salt reduction and large water intake, proper supps etc etc..very nice achievment possible each and every time and they may be said for several yrs of test only. The increases conservatively are fine but the thoughts have to focus on the kitchen. With wicked kitchen work a little cycle will do wonders. Often people think they need to be exotic in compounds to get the real deal impact but give me a guy that knows his kitchen running test only or another guy on 3 compounds not doing the kitchen work necessary and I'll put money on proper kitchen man! This guy is gettin it done off cycle so on cycle is a given.
"this guy is gettin it done off cycle so on cycle is a given"
That statement my fellow eroiders is were the magic starts! make it or break it in the kitchen.... YOUR CHOICE... nuff said!
skalpaclapping well said sir. completely agree, ive always thought about running test only for a while but in my research reading forums and threads theres so much pressure to do more and more compounds with higher and higher doses. so i assumed that was the protocol most guys did. its nice to hear its not the case and i stay with test for afew cycles. will save $ and confusion. thanks tread
tread-mdp...shit!
At 21 years old....slow down buddy. Lots of life left ahead
skalpai hear you fast. all theoretical man. i know im too young just want to hear what more experienced people think about it so when i do decide to cycle years down the road i can order in bulk and save sum $
Was just about to throw that in lol. Fast is right your in your prime years to really let your body mature. Go hard 2-3 more years before you worry with heavy cycling.
skalpai hear you guys. just a theoretical inquiry. just trying to plan out my first few cycles ahead of time so when i order from a source i can get some stuff ahead of time to get better bulk discounts. but that wont be for at least a year or two
First slow ur roll a lil bit bro:-) One step at a time. But to answer ur question I would add Prop kicker n Taper. Simple but effective
skalpahaha i hear yah man. im just red bulled out and want to ask all the questions i never got answered. lol last post for today, promise
Kick start with prop
1-4 test prop 100mg Eod
1-12 500mg test e/c two shots mon/thurs
13-15 100mg eod
Pct beginning 3 days after last inject Nolva and clomid and AI on hand
skalpaive seen this approach on other forums. but lets say you wanted to add a different compound other than test. that might be a better way to phrase the question. what would be the next compound to along with test?
I would ask the experts what they think about you adding e.q. I believe it has less potential for sides and I personally prefr the hunger it provides and solid gains to the water bulk that I woild get from decca and no risk of decca weiner.
I'm no expert .so see what they think of something like that.
edit . oh crap at 21 i didnt touch anything but the roids that were left over in the red meat I ate.
But if youre gunna do it anyway go slow. The experts will be by to tell you why.
Patience is key when your on your first few cycles. I know theres so many things you want to try. But Simplicity is the word you want to remember no need in making things complex. If there's no call for it yet you have plenty of cycles ahead of you to try new compounds.
Yuuup