posted Mon, 06/09/2014 - 11:10
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Beginner cycle for newbie
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Hi, been reading loads of forums in regards with starting my first cycle.
Im 37, Male, 5'10", 175lbs (11.5 Stone). Athletic build. Not sure of body fat %, but it is not much.Mainly do cardio and race Triathlon. Swim, Bike, Run. With light weights.
Really need to put some muscle mass on, as a little tired of being a racing snake. I have stuff in the mail. 2X Sus 10ml amp. 2X Deca 10ml amp. Some Var and some Drol. I was intially gonna start with
1cc Sus+1cc of Deca once a week. For 6 to 8 weeks then maybe orals.
Would i see gains if doing this cycle? Any advice greatly appreciated.
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I think I'm done for the day! Just walk away from this looney bin until tomorrow. For days now there's been an influx of idiots. I shouldn't be getting this worked up over this shit. Those of you here that know me know that this vvvvv is not my norm. Sorry about being an ass. See ya when I see ya......
You know what you're a big boy and you've got plenty of sound advice below. So run whatever the hell you want just don't come back here crying about it!!!
beermattsBlackDoug, come on really, is that all u guys have, come back crying...dont do it...u will get bitch tits...what a load of nonsense. Where is ur proof. Nothing bar a couple of guys on here have given any reason other than the usaul stuff like, Ive been told or ive read. Have u ever done it. No. So u dont know then.
That attitude dont sit well around here........... let me show you the door.
Well played
Okay listen you POS... All you new fucks want to walk in here and be spoonfed everything. So how about this you prove everyone wrong in here. This way we know at least you did some research instead of talking to your gym buddy. If you're not going to do that then fuck off
I've sat back and followed this tread and I'm stunned at your ignorance, stubbornness, and flat out laziness.
Either that or you're a troll. Either way, please go ahead and run what you want and best of luck with the consequences. Like BD said above, don't come back here asking us to fix your issues you will experience. Bye...
beermattsMy pal mentioned, if I was gonna run any of what im getting. Run Deca.?
beermattsHow bout Deca then? On its on, meant to be good for low to moderate gain. And good for joints.And prolong training periods.
This is completely wrong bro.. you're going to end up on HRT running this... do you know proper pct and cycle support.. I suggest dropping this completely and running a single long ester testosterone Test-c or Test-e is highly recommended. You could use the sus, however it's doesn't provide steady blood levels as a single long ester test would... I know sus was created for trt, with the purpose of less injections and steady blood plasma levels.. it was an utter failure. You will benefit greatly on just the testosterone alone, the other stuff will have it place in time bro.. no need to rush things; your 37, I'm sure you don't want to compete; so don't run all that crazy shit, there is no need to.. you can get swole off the basics....
beermattsYeah cheers bud, surely deca on its own would be ok. Maybe
1cc for 1week maybe 2, then increase to 2cc. Then ween off? Im not looking to get massive or compete, just put some extra muscle on then maintain. 10-12 weeks at most on deca isnt gonna kill me, if anything it will improve my cardio and power.
Sigh Jesus Christ Of Nazareth... smh
Wasn't 5 min after V logged on and he was toast. No hope.
Seriously this made me LOL
If you want to be able to use your dick, you don't run deca on its own.
You need to take a few months off and read a lot mate. The compounds you mention except a little test will ruin what you do (cardio). If you want to get bigger you need to learn how to do that first before you take gear. Lift heavy and learn how to eat to grow. What do you think will happen if you don't do this and you come off the gear? Your body will just revert back to you current size at best.
Eat, lift, grow. Then let's talk gear
Don't Do It!!
We been tryin to tell him..he seems pretty stuck on a cycle that will do nothing but shut down his test and fuck up his endocrine system. Some people just need to take a bump on the head before they listen
Even ole Lance Armstrong would tell you that's just plain stupid. Better stock up on nipple bandaids, you're gonna be sportin' some nice man tits after you run that stupid shit.
Wish people would take some advice instead of risking their health..oh well..to each their own
beermattsHey guys, cheers for advice, so much to take in and learn. I do realise people just wan a hear, take this and you'll be massive in no time. I do realise diet and training and rest are big part of it. I have also read and heard that there is no absolute right answer to this, as everyone is different in the way they react to drugs.
How about 2cc/200mg Sus/per week for 10 weeks. Maybe halfway through taking 50mg/Var for 4 weeks. ?
That seems a much simpler cycle than some of the suggested begginer cycles ive read.
Still think you should run a long ester test bro..save that shit u have for a future cycle.ur going to see some gains but nothing special. And since you have no pct ready your going to lose it all anyways. And anavar isn't something that you just throw in for a few weeks. Best used for the last 6 weeks of a 12-16 week cycle from what I've been told to help dry you out a little. Such a low dose of sust is almost not worth it..get yourself some cyp or ethanate and running 500 a week split up into two injections throughout the week..I do mine Mondays and Thursdays. Take the advice from these vets below man. Your gonna dissapoint yourself with your cycle plan
I wouldn't suggest the sustanon as a first test cycle, but if you're going to run anything with what you have on hand, use only that and you will see great improvement. But, as others have alreayd touched on, a single long ester testosterone would be a nice first.
And someone below was saying 12-16 weeks, but I suggest 10-12 starting out. My first cycle was planned for 12 weeks but I actually cut it off at 10 because I felt really good about what I'd done already and figured it was a good stopping point.
X2..I was told by a few vets to run 12-16 weeks to see the most results. So that's why I told him that. I'm 7 weeks in and I feel fantastic. Awesome growth
beermattsCheers irongame, good advice. Im all squared away on diet and lifting or training plan. Surely 1cc of Sus a week for approx 6 to 8 weeks or more with good diet and training. I would see gains? So what is a good cycle to start on for a beginner?? Ive got Deca and Sus.
Honestly bro I don't think you need to put your body through the stress of a steroid cycle. You like to do cardio, bike run and lift light weights. Since your not a big weight lifter right now you body will respond incredibly to a good diet and some heavy ass weights. When your new to lifting weights, heavy weights in effort to put on mass, not light weights the gains you get are almost steroid like. I would personally put in a solid 6-12 months of dieting and lifting and if your still not happy with the amount of muscle you have then maybe research a basic test cycle. If you need bulking diet and training advice pm me and ill blow you up in a few months naturally.
believer_84As always.... great advice bro! Listen to this guy beermatts he knows his training and nutrition! +1
A matter of fact listen to all these guys! They speak the truth, research, research, research and guess what....more research!
+1 for sound advice
Using all that for a first cycle when u have no idea how ur body will respond is ridiculous. U couldn't have read much. Standard protocol is test e or c at 500 x 12 weeks for a first cycle. U also need an anti estrogen and u have nothing up there about pct. U didn't put much thought into this. Go back to the drawing board b4 u hurt urself.
No go chief. A longer estered test (test-e or c) ONLY should be your first cycle. Only way to see how you react to it. I would start low (300 to 500 mg a week). Usually 12 weeks is standard. You need to propose an AI and PCT. Use the search function above (magnifying glass) to research these out and then propose what you think is best and we'll get you situated.
You said ur a race snake.. so I'm assuming you don't have to much experience in the gym .. work out naturally till you peak and then run a cycle..and even then a test only cycle..no orals.no deca.JUST TEST. Trying to help you save yourself from a lot of hardships man. It appears that you haven't put a lot of thought into this. Do ur research And come back when ur ready. Nobody on this site will help you injure yourself bro. So expect a lot of rough feedback from some people
I'm on my first cycle also and I was always told that the first few cycles should be test cypionate or test enthanate only for 12-16 weeks @ 500 mg a week..if you have a reaction to the compounds you won't know which one is effecting you. Let your body get use to one compound first before you throw your system out of wack and end up shutting down your natural test permanently. and those orals should be ran the first 4 weeks of your cycle as a kick start while u wait for the other esters to kick in.do u have a pct ready? If not your going to lose all ur gains and you need that to start your natural test again.in my opinion your running way to many compounds and don't have the right amount of cycle time.. others will agree that you should run test only for 12-16 weeks. Get a pct ready to take 18 days after your last shot. I don't think u know what ur getting into my friend. Your going to fuck your body up if ur not careful.
What forums? not this one, first Cycle, simple Test only. Either Test E, or C. Did you get anything for estrogen control, or PCT? Maybe need to research here a little more before making your decision.
beermattsCheers for the advice guys, yeah thought it was a bit much, So what is AI mean? I know PCT. And form what ive been told and read, is that PCT is more for the serious and experienced user. Surely 1cc of Sus once a week is ok? With or without a kickstarter of orals. I have experince in the gym. And have done some weight lifting.
aromatase inhibitor- it stops the conversion of AAS into estrogen. PCT is for anytime you take steroids as they will shut down your natural testosterone production. Post CycleTherapy helps kick start your natural production. I would not use Sust for your first run it has a combination of esters that will require more experience to take advantage of, it will require more then twice a week injections. Just spend some time in the forums and learn more about AAS use before you stick yourself in the ass.
Cannot help you on sust..if anything u should just run test cyp or enthanate. I'm at 500mg cyp a week and take aromasin 6.25 ed. And have had great gains. Pct isn't for just the serious weightlifters. It is to help keeps ur gains and make sure you don't grow bitch tits n gyno. And it restarts ur natural test. Cause when on cycle your balls stop producing test and shut down. Which is why pct is a must.otherwise your wasting time and money
beermattsOk read breifly on AI use. Any advice on which one to use and when to take them. Also can anyone suggest a beginner cycle with Sus, which I will soon have. Also I thought Var had very little side effects. Sorry for multiple questions.
There is no sust beginner cycle..most beginners who have any knowledge of as stick with test only. Just tryin to help bro.
Listen bro to say I read briefly on PCT is preposterous. I mean come on man. Do the research and don't be in such a hurry or you will straight fuck up your endocrine system. Put in the time if you're dead set on doing it and start with this link OK.......
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/cycles-the-safe-way
X2!..Nicely put
Ok I can't get the link to work so it's the yellow stickie at the top that says "cycle the safe way"