Beginner Cycle
Hi, I'm 5ft 8", 150lbs, 22 years old and have never taken steroids before. I want to put on lean muscle and improve strenght. I have an idea for a cycle below but any other ideas or adjustments would be greatly appreciated. Also is there any reccomendations on where to purchase from, I am from the UK. Thanks.
Weeks 1-6:
* 500mg testosterone enanthate per week
* 1 quarter tablet of Arimidex every other day (0.25mg)
* 1 tablet of clomid every other day (50mg)
Week 7:
* 300mg testosterone per week
* 1 quarter tablet of Arimidex every other day (0.25mg)
* 1 tablet of clomid every other day (50mg)
Week 8:
* 200mg testosterone per week
* 1 quarter tablet of Arimidex every other day (0.25mg)
* 1 tablet of clomid every day (50mg)
Week 9:
* 1 quarter tablet of Arimidex every other day (0.25mg)
* 1 tablet of clomid every day (50mg)
Week 10:
* 1 quarter tablet of Arimidex every 3rd day (0.25mg)
* 1 tablet of clomid every day (50mg)
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Could also do a oral only cycle first for 6 weeks. That would still be betetr then the cycle you put on there lol.
Bad cycle mate. Whats your bf? How long you been training?
Don't know exactly what my bf is but would be quite low as i have a naturally slim frame and am quite ripped. Been training 3/4 times a week for a few years now but am now struggling to put on more lean muscle. Thanks.
Well since you're quite ripped and wanting to gain lean mass. I would do 250 test/eq 600 + some anavar 14 weeks. If you dont really care about bloat can just go with test e only cycle. Thats you're own choice. Whats your diet like? 150 pounds on a 5'8 is not very good unless you are 5 pct body fat which I highly doubt. Natural max for someone that is 5'8 is about 158 lbs at 4-5 pct depending on genetics can vary -5 lbs or +5 lbs.
Well being his first cycle I really think he should stick to test, with a Dbol kicker if desired.
Not if he strictly wants lean gains.
Not what, not Dbol, or not just test>? Even if he wants lean gains he can do Dbol cause its only for the first few weeks and the water retention will be gone long before he can see the end of his cycle. As far as Eq yes it will help with gains but will it make his gains "leaner"?? (If that makes sense) He should do great with just test at least for the first cycle (IMO)
Yeah, lean gains with eq. Steady slow gains over a period of 14 weeks. Dbol gains will be gone after 4 weeks of stopping it.
Ye the water retention will be gone shortly after stopping them, the point is to get strength up and start making progress until the test really starts kicking in... I like Eq Im using it right now, my advice to him would be to just do the test the first cycle he really wouldnt need any more than that. He doesnt even know how he will respond to test let alone throwing in other compounds right off the bat. But IF he was to include a second compound (which he shouldnt) then Eq would definitly be the one to use... (IMO) The lad wasnt even thinking of using a second compound, he just wanted test, u are putting naughty ideas in his head!! lol
Not really. He said he wanted lean gains. And I will say again. Test e is NOT lean gains. Test convert estrogen which promotes water retention + fat gain.
What, tons of people use test e for cutting/lean gains, any test is going to convert to estrogen to some extent... He already wants to use armidex so that will deal with some of the water retention. Just cut at end of the cycle, simples... Hey if he wants to throw in a bunch of compounds on his first cycle before he even has ever used test, more power to him...
Oh god.... People always say that yet I never see a good physiek which was made by cutting with test. Its just everyone parroting the same shit over and over. Yet never look the part. Cut end of the cycle? Yea, very smart and lose the gains quickly you been making.
You know best
Lol, not dont be like that. I understand your argument. But imo test e only is not always the best beginner cycle.
"Dont be like that" ahaha, for sure Eq in there is better for cutting, I just wanted to "advise" him to only do test simply cause he has never done a steroid in his life, was just my opinion. Personally I would of thought even just doing the test with Anavar at the end would of been better for a newbie than multiple injectable compounds, but either way. Whatever he chooses Im sure he will have a good time, first cycles are usually people's favorites
sgtstedankoI really just skimmed these. But I agree w/you. I think the kid who started this thread really really really needs to research a lot more. Before he cycles anything! I also think that if you don't have diet & exercise regime on dial. Ie: working out diligently 8 years natural; knowing how break through your plateaus natty! You don't have any business at all thinking of AAS as some sort of magic. I personally think that going natty, learning proper nutrition, exercise, & diligence, how to manipulate his body the he wants through diet & cardio will be this young man's best bet right now. Into the future. EQ/test will make him eat like a horse, & it will be impossible for this young man to keep his gains clean. He should certainly continue researching, & go w/a ling ester test 1st. IMHO. Humbly - Sarge
Thats bullshit. Most people reach natural potential after 3 years good dieting and consistant training. 8 years natural you would have hit your natural potential loooong ago. First year good dieting + training 20 lbs muscle give or take. 2nd year 10 lbs. 3rd year 5 lbs. 4th year .... a lot of time not even worth mentioning.
for sure mate
sgtstedankoImho, you need to take at least a few years put on some mass naturally. EAT!!! DO it natty, BEFORE YOU CYCLE GEAR! & that cycle is retarded! Stop, drop & give me 25!
Why taper the test down like that? Why take clomid all the way through? Why 8 week cycle. The test hits full effect week 4-5, so at least do 10 weeks 12 preferrably. This is a basic first cycle I'm starting in two weeks and I'm 23 5'11 165 but we are young and shouldn't do this yet however I feel I've researched enough and been training long enough and have enoug help here to be safe so here basic first cycle
12 week cycle beginning April 1st consisting of Test E/Test P
Weeks 1-4 test prop 100mg eod
Weeks 1-12 test e 500mg a week split into two shots mon/Thursday
PCT starts week 14 consisting of Clomid 100/100/50/50 and Nolva 40/40/20/20
Ai on hand if needed
No1No since in tapering the test down, just do 10-12 weeks of 500mg test e /week
Wait till u are 23/24 Drop the Arimidex, save the clomid for PCT 3 weeks after your cycle, think about a Dbol kicker for the first few weeks, and think about extending your cycle to 10 or 12 weeks...