posted Thu, 10/06/2016 - 15:00
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Anyone with tbol experience?
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I am gonna be running 50mg tbol a day for 7 weeks, and 400mg test enanthate a week. I have heard a few good things about tbol and it has peaked my interest. Basically decided to use cause I wasn't looking to put on too much size. Anyone here have experience with tbol and let me know what to expect? Thanks.
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Huh??? What are you trying to do then? Why are you even running a cycle then?
There's nothing worse than accidently putting on too much size. Everyone knows how easy that can happen.
Testrogen_PropC...Lol, reminds me of this girl at my gym. She says to me "yeah I only do legs. I kind of want to do upper body too but I don't want my arms to get big like yours though"
I responded with something nice, but what I wanted to say was "woman, you could do arms every day for the rest of your life and not even look like you lift"
Ignorant people kill me.
I'm going to start telling people "yeah, I run a business, but I don't want to make a profit. I'm more concerned with customer and employee relations. I don't want to get too big or make too much money. I don't want to wake up one morning and be like Bill Gates".
Tbol at 50mg a day is worthless to be honest. It is such a mild oral that you need at least 60-70 a day. It does not build size but great strength when in a caloroe defecit or low carb, very low aromatization and little to nothing estro builder. 6 weeks is max on tbol. Its better to take tbol as a finisher to harden up then a starter as it will defeat the purpose. If you take 50 a day plan to be disappointed. Tbol also will not make you vascular bit it will harden up the muscles only if you have bloat in check s well as estro levels.
bigmurphI have to agree and disagree with you on this one i ran tbol and at 80mgs 40 mourn 40 night I felt horrible but this could also just be my reaction.
When I lowered it to 50mgs split it was great workouts were good and all.
I do agree 6wks its not a mass buider so its just a jump-start.
Finishing with it like var probably is a great idea.
I also have to throw in dbol is my favorite oral all the talk about tbol being dbol without bloat is nonsense 2 completely different compounds.
Do you know the half life of tbol is 13.5 hours active? So splitting it up like you did you were not taking 50 at all but much less. You take it every 12 hours so if you take 60 its 60 then 12 hours later another 60 not half in the morning and half at night.
the germans experimented with high doses of tbol and found that over 70 was a recipe for disaster and under 60 took too long to get any benefits. 60-70 was where the athletes made the best gains and the best strength. I am the resident tbol expert, I love it and studied the shit out of it. I tried 80 and all I got was light headed and 50 worked but it was at the 6th week when it was time to quit that I felt the pumps. At 60 for 2 weeks it came on nicely and the last 3 weeks I upped it to 70 and made big PR's, my 1st 430 pound bench was week 5. Even limiting my carbs to lose some baby fat my strength stayed. Everyone is different but the dose that the inventor of tbol prescribed is the one that worked for me. Let me put it this way, tbol is so mild of an oral it took 1 person 5 years of running 40mg a day to develop spots on his liver and of course it was permanent damage. So 5 weeks of 50 mg a day will do what besides placebo? OP can of course do what he wants but im trying to save him from wasting his money unless he is under 10% bf then he will notice the hardness. If you are over 14%BF you wont notice a damn thing but you will feel hard. Tbol should only be used as a strength keeper for a deficit or a cut because using it for mass is fkn stupid. There are better orals for mass.
bigmurphDbol or adrol is the orals for mass in my opinion but I can see you have read the gdr reports that came out about there doping program.
I agree with you on what your saying in my experience it wasn't so bad it was an alright kick-start but yes definitely much better options for bulking.
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You got it man, perfect for a cut, terrible for a bulk. anavar would be better for bulking then tbol lol.
bigmurphIm not sure if you have experience with anavar but im using it in a cut right now and it has been amazing.
I was a bulking fat ass last year with a high bf I put in alot of work but I went from 256 to 206. Pct then waited and started my 8wk cut taking var I've already dropped 16lbs. Im on a deficienct diet and of course putting in the work but also this is my first time running a cutting cycle but damn I feel like var was definitely made for cutting. I've never tried to bulk with it but in your opinion i have tbol do I save my var and keep cutting with tbol or stick with var?
Either one will work fine for your goal. Anavar does tend to be a little harsher on your lipids and liver then tbol but anavar also has a much higher affinity for strength gains while cutting.
bigmurphI appreciate it as always brother im going to stick with the var then. Its working great im actually looking pretty damn good i always enjoyed bulking and keeping my bf around 15% but now that im around 11% I like all the cuts and look i just don't like being under 200lbs. So I have to put on alot of solid muscle to get to my goal but I won't stop until I get it.
Thanks again brother
I personally loved it. I found it to be a mix between dbol and winny. Gained some size and good pumps at the gym but zero estrogen sides/water added. Could be used on a cut, bulk or recomp imo
ZandaMy favorite oral. Like a cross between dbol and anavar. You won't get the bloat or size like the dbol but you will get aome strength and a nice dense hard full vascular look. Great to kickstart if you want to kickstart a cycle and not be a watery mess.
Thanks zanda, that's what appealed to me. No bloat or aromatization. The caps I'm getting are 50mg and a 50 pack. So figured 7 weeks. How much size do you think I will gain. Have heard not much and also great to use on a low carb or calorie diet. Will stop muscle lose.
Hey idk what some of the others are talking about but any compound can really be used to for bulk cut etc it's just that some make it easier towards one direction than another. From what i got with what you said you were looking for, Test and Tbol is great. Idk what stats are like but let's say your built and around 15%. Test 400 is right on the money in my opinion and Tbol at 50 is as well. If you could get 10s or 20s that'd be a lot better to gauge and alter your dosing. I did a cycle of Test E400/Tbol50-60 for 11 weeks. I ran the Tbol for 8weeks. I worked out with the Test400 for a few weeks felt some nice pumps, more vascular, and better workouts. Then when i started the Tbol I started with 40mg and every 2-3 weeks bumped it up 10. After 2 weeks you start to feel good pumps, more vascularity, and better pumps working with the Test. Over all in the height of the cycle you'll feel they both compliment each other, that with your diet you can either cut and stay full, tight, and pumped. Or if you're going for a recomp which I was, I put on about 9-11 lbs and cut down significantly. But overall I felt strong,full,tight skin, big pumps, and vascular. I knew if I ate more I could've went up to 15-16 lbs on the cycle while staying lean. This is all my opinion with my experience. But Test400/Tbol50 is a great recomp cycle. I'm a big anavar guy and it was very similar yet little differences. I felt like I could've put more mass on with Tbol vs anavar but it's knit picking at this point. Good luck bud