Another Cycle Critique, Please
This will be my third injectable cycle and I've decided to up the Test dose a bit, as well as adding a new compound (Tren). Please let me know what you think, and if there's anything you disagree with.
Weeks 1 - 12
Trenbolone 300mg/week
Testosterone Enanthate: 700 mg/week
1 mg Arimidex/day
Weeks 1 - 4
Dianabol 50mg/day
Weeks 9 - 12
Anavar 40mg/day
PCT:
Week 15
Arimidex 1mg/day
Clomid 100mg/day
Nolvadex 60mg/day
Week 16
Clomid 50mg/day
Nolvadex 20mg/day
I should add that I'm gonna stop the Tren at week 10, two weeks before stopping the Test, and I'll be taking Arimidex throughout the cycle because I'm very prone to gyno. If I can get my hands on some HCG, I'll add it to the PCT. I realize I have a lot to learn so I do expect there to be a mistake or two in the cycle.
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lpetI'll be adding Equipoise to my new cycle instead. That being said, I'm curious since it seems to have a longer ester than Enanthate, should I stop the EQ a week before the test so that the PCT timing lines up properly? The general consensus is that EQ should be run for no less than 12 weeks, so I was thinking to run it for 12 and the Test E for 13 weeks, PCT starting on week 15?
If you get HCG you need to take it the last 3 weeks of your cycle, not during pct.
Make your PCT 4 weeks; weeks 15 and 16 with clomid(100mg), nolva(40mg), arimidex(1mg) and weeks 17 and 18 with clomid(50mg) and novla(20mg) everyday.
*you might want to grab some cabergoline too if you are prone to gyno.
I'd say switch the tren with EQ and run for 16 weeks. EQ is great, you get strength, vascularity, increased appetite, and nice dry lean gains. EQ also has few side effects, compared to tren. No need to worry about gyno with eq and your sex drive will be good.
drop the dbol and run anavar at 50-60mg weeks 13-18 then start pct after. You will get ripped with this cycle no doubt!
Any thoughts on him dropping the Tren, and changing the Dianabol with Turinabol? Turinabol I know is much lighter on the liver, and it doesn't aromatise either.
Not 100% sure if that type of cycle would work. More experienced guys out there might know. But, maybe it could work. Test/Turinabol/Anavar cycle
lpetTo be honest I've done minimal research on Turinabol; I really don't know much about it. I'm curious to see what people think.
I remember a news article that in 1976 East Germany won 40 gold medals. The women's swim team tested positive for Turinabol and won 11 out of the 13 swim events. edit- (not tested but was found in the paperwork of east germany's training program.)
I think the side effects are on par with Anavar, and the gains are similiar to 1/2 the strength of Dianabol. Liver interaction is minimal, but still shouldn't be taken for more than 6 weeks. It doesn't aromatize. And it's half life is 16 hours. I've heard really good things.
lpetThat actually sounds really promising; I'll look into it for sure!
So I'm sure you've found out tren at this point is bad idea, I would also like to add that the oral steroids are bad idea aswell. Especially with certain compounds. I'm really not a big fan of oral steroids, dbol and tren is begging for gyno, and tren for you friend is too early.
lpetI'm not sure I agree completely here. Orals aren't too bad on the liver as long as you take normal doses and keep it to four weeks tops, to the best of my knowledge. And tren doesn't even aromatise into estrogen - though gyno is possible with tren, it's extremely rare.
Though I do agree that Dbol is obviously quite estrogenic.
I'm unfortunately not speaking from what I read bro. I'm speaking from experience with the dbol and tren. As far as hepatoxicity foes I personally know some friends that had jaundice from oral steroids. Were they taking them responsibly? Well that I'm not sure, they're ok now, but its your cycle. If you don't have much experience throwing a bunch of steroids together is never a good plan
lpetGood point. After a couple injectable cycles I'm finally comfortable enough with pinning and have tried enough different sites that I'm definitely considering a prop kicker instead of orals for my next cycle. Thanks for the input man
gyno is not rare on tren at all. You get a diff kind of gyno called prolactin gyno which involves you growing tits AND lactating
Anonstay away from tren... pm me and i can help if we discuss goals;;;;; u aint ready for tren for years to come bro... dont fuck urself up
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/another-re-hash-of-the-...
lpetAwesome article, I'll take it to heart. No Tren for a few years. Though I was really looking forward to it.
Not good man.....
What are your stats goals and what cycles did u run before this
lpetI'm 24 years old. I realize that's young by a lot of people's standards. I've been lifting since my early teens, and I've been lifting properly/seriously for four years. My first cycle was 500mg/week of Test Enanthate, and nothing else. My second cycle was 600mg Test Enanthate with a four-week Dbol kicker. Same PCT that I just mentioned.
Well bro I would wait on the tren e u do not know what kind of sides u r going to get because u have never run tren and with the long ester it will be to late when they hit why not give eq or npp a go u will get good gains with out the crazy sides tren can bring
lpetI'm beginning to agree with you and Roid Noid; EQ seems like a better choice.
That's some smart thinking bro just trying to give u better options over tren so u dont mess your self up before you are ready
Have you done any fine reading on the nice Dr. Jeckle and Mr. Hyde sides to Tren?
lpetYes, yes I have. I generally have a pretty laid back disposition, unless I'm drinking, which I never do while on cycle. But I've heard some scary first-hand experiences about those mood swings with Tren.
ok so how about running EQ? good compound and you havent ran it yet.
lpetWell EQ definitely doesn't convert to estrogen as much as test, but Tren doesn't at all. Also, I thought that EQ is slightly more damaging to your sex drive than Tren? I also wasn't looking forward to the added water retention either, as opposed to Tren which is supposed to dry you out. Either way I've been very curious to try EQ - especially due to the long ester, I wouldn't have to inject quite as often. I'll definitely consider switching the Tren out for EQ.
Sounds like you need to read up on eq, you've got it all wrong.
I love eq! Lean solid...slow gains. Slow solid gains are typically easier to keep. The body has time to adjust to the new muscles. Of course its fully dependant on your diet being kept up as a lifestyle.
NO man! No tren! we repeat this same topic several times a week, tren is not an intermediate compound...post up your previous cycles, age and weight.
lpetI just posted my stats. I should add that I'm 5'10" and weight 215, and I'd guess I'm at about 14% body fat. I was aching to try steroids since I was 21, but I waited until I was about to turn 24 before my first cycle. The three years in between were spent learning about different compounds and PCT, along with reading countless diet and training articles. I'm just mentioning that so it doesn't seem like I'm jumping into Tren without doing research. I realize it's more prone to androgenic sides, insomnia and mood changes, and many people have had hellish experiences with it. That's why I planned on doing considerably more Test than Tren, and also quitting the Tren early. That being said, if everyone is THAT adamant that Tren is so horrible for a third cycle, I'll reconsider. I'm not one of those people who asks a question but doesn't accept an answer he doesn't like
bro theres alot more to tren then just reading a few articles trust me!
take your time plenty of other compounds to play with first.
X 2 this is a every day thing any more
In before "don't do Tren till 10th cycle". Do a nice search on the general consensus on the use of Tren. Zewi has a post about Tren you should read as well as the research you should have already done.
lpetI've read Zewi's post already, thanks