Advice on starting Test late into Anavar cycle
Hi all
First my stats:
Age 36
Height 167cm
Weight 69kg
BF Aprox 13%
I used to be very obese, I weighed in at over 112kg 3 years ago but through lifting and diet I've lost the weight and put on some reasonable size. I still have stubborn belly fat as that tends to be the last thing to go but my strength is pretty decent for a small guy, I squat 165kg, press 70kg, Deadlift 150kg (back issues) and have good Olympic Lifting stats, clean and jerk 110kg, snatch 70kg.
My diet is good, after being obese for so many years I spent a long time researching and toyed with everything under the sun 
I now eat flexibly, keep my calories in check, have a split of around 40/30/30 (this changes as and when I feel I need to) and also use IF, nothing too severe, I just don't eat between 9pm and 12am and tend to have two big meals a day, sometimes 3.
I started an anavar only cycle exactly week ago. I know this is against everyone's advice and you've likely all heard the reasons before (scared of needles, scared of sides etc etc) so if you could just hear me out without laying into me that'd be great because I'm willing to change my ways. Better late than never right?
So here I am, taking 75mg Pro chem Var a ay, split into 3 equal amounts, 9am, 4pm, 10pm. I'm planning on an 8 week cycle. My PCT is Nolva. (I can get Clomid but thought Nolva on it's own would be okay)
I'm not seeing any bad sides as of yet but I've decided to add test. The main reason is I was so scared of steroids but taking the anavar has kinda cured that in me.
So, onto the question, what does everyone recommend me to do with regards to adding test this late into the cycle? I can get hold of some within a day or two. Should I add it in straight away for the duration of the cycle or longer? How much should I be taking? I'm thinking test-e as a few people have suggested it might be good for first timers. Ideally the less pinning the better I guess.
How should I alter my PCT? How does that fit in with potentially adding test?
Finally, I'm super scared of gyno, I've read contradicting advice on what to do during the cycle but would like some advice on what people would suggest here.
Sorry, seems like a lot of questions but just want to make sure I have all my bases covered.
Ps please don't shout at me too much for the var only cycle ;)
Thanks very much.
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56tooFirst off, CONGRATULATIONS on your accomplishment. That says a lot about you. It takes a LOT of work and determination to do what you have done , I know first hand. If you're gonna add test to this cycle it wld have to be prop, and that doesnt fare too well with someone who is scared of pinning but any other ester will take too long to kick in at this point
waltrhe started var a week ago..., he could start test in 2 days and use the var for 5-7 more weeks as a kickstart
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i wouldn't recommend prop if your afraid of pinning, but if you went with every other day injections you'd get over your fears real quick or just decide it isn't for you
So quick update, I got on the test e as suggested at 250mg twice a week, that was 3 weeks ago. However I think the gear was bunk, the var and everything else is fine but the test wasn't, so my source gave me legit Greek test which the guys at the gym all use and swear by, so I started that a few days ago. It was suggested I front load as well, 500mg day 1, 250mg day 2, 250mg day 4 and then 250mg every third day.
So to clarify, I've now essentially been on Var for 5 weeks (going for another 3) and have started test in week 5 with the view of going for another 12 weeks. Then two week break then PCT.
This was all suggested by my source (who is legit and actually admitted that the gear might be bunk and came to me with new test and gave refund on top, apparently a number of people had been burned) so I trust him.
However I just wanted to check with some outside experts. The cycle now looks like this:
Week 1-5 Var 75mg ED
Week 5-8 Test e 500mg EW + Var 75mg ED
Weeks 8- 15 Test e 500mg EW
PCT starting 2 weeks after last pin as suggested in previous posts.
Does everyone think that's okay? I'm basically using Var as a kickstart for 5 weeks then adding test for 12 and front loaded. I'm hoping it's fine!!
As for being afraid of pinning, not anymore, piece of cake
I suppose everyone says that once they've done it.
56tooTrue that bro. I was just looking at 8 weeks but definitely agree with you. Old age lol
Yes. And like Walte said. I def also recommend running aromasin or arimidex throughout the cycle. Have letro on hand in case if you are worried about gyno.
Personally I'd say go with prop so it kicks in fast, but test-e is fine still but I would extend the overall length of your cycle. Run test E from as soon as you can for 10 weeks. 500mg p/w 250 mon and 250 thurs Should work out nicely I think. Run the anavar as you planned and just consider it a kickstart. Could also use prop And E for first 2 weeks after adding the Test then drop the prop and keep on the E. I would say for pct run the standard nolva/clomid. glad that you decided to add test, albeit late. It's bloody key.
waltrIf it were me, i would pick up enough test cyp or enan to run for 10 weeks at 500mg/week
You would split that between 2 250mg injections (mon/thurs - tues/fri) whatever two days that are as equally spaced apart as possible you prefer.
I'd run that for 10 weeks and also add in either Aromasin (exemestane) at 6.25 every day or arimidex (anastrazole) at .5 every other day, both aromatase inhibitors will work to prevent any gyno that would occur and which you would use is simply a matter of preference.
For post cycle therapy you would wanna go with this protocol starting 2 weeks after your last injection.
Clomiphene Citrate (Clomid) 100mg every day week 1, 100mg every day week 2, 50mg every day week 3, 50mg ever day week 4
Tamoxifen Citrate(Nolvadex) 40mg ED(every day) week 1, 40mg ED week 2, 20mg ED week 3, 20mg ED week 4
Aromasin (exemestane) 12.5mg ED week 1. 12.5mg ED week 2, 6.25 ED week 3, 6.25 ED week 4
If you're looking to get bigger with this cycle you'll want to eat a LOT of calories, right now you're at about 150lbs so if you did the above and ate 4,000 quality calories (lean meats, complex carbs, veggies) you'd definitely gain good weight and lose some body fat.
var by itself won't do a whole lot for you really, but if you add test keep the var till week 6 of it and then drop it and continue the test for 10 weeks
that's my advice.
RustyhookerNolva can be lowered since aro is in pct. Nolva 20...20..10..10. Aromasin will keep estro in check.
Okay, thanks everyone, I really really appreciate it.
So I'll go with the following plan.
Continue Var for 7 more weeks
Start 2X 250mg test e starting ASAP for 10 weeks
Use either arimidex or exemestane (whichever I can get hold of)
Then for PCT:
Wk1 Clomid 100mg ED + Nolva 40mg ED + Aromasin 12.5mg ED
Wk2 Clomid 100mg ED + Nolva 40mg ED + Aromasin 12.5mg ED
Wk3 Clomid 50mg ED + Nolva 20mg ED + Aromasin 6.25mg ED
Wk4 Clomid 50mg ED + Nolva 20mg ED + Aromasin 6.25mg ED
As for food intake, I have a really sedentary job and after years of being a fatty my metabolism is shot. I maintain at around 2,300 cals if I have a workout. Is 4,000 cals still something I should be shooting for taking that into consideration or should I perhaps be looking at slightly lowering it?
I don't want to get HUGE, I do want to lose some more body fat and get some good solid lean gains, and also gains I can keep, so I don't want to do too much too fast really, hence keeping the test low and the initial idea of running a var only cycle!
4,000 calories is too much for your stats. Clean or not with that many excess calories you'll put on fat unless your protein intake is ridiculous and you keep your carbs lower which I don't recommend or you burn a lot of calories through cardio and training. If you maintain your weight at 2,300 calories then shoot for around 3,000 couple hundred more if you wish.
You gotta be careful because having been overweight before its a lot easier to put on body fat again. Remember fat cells only really shrink they don't completely disappear.
Cheers. And tell me about it, putting on fat is no problem for me, even two days of a bad diet and you can start seeing it. Bastard fat cells!
waltrrusty caught my mistake in the post
nolva should be lowered to 20/20/10/10
you're not gonna get HUGE on your first 10 week cycle, that said
I would go with the 4k cals and make sure they're all clean (this means lean meats/veggies/complex carbs) and I bet your fat turns into muscle and you end up heavier than you are now if your serious about the training aspect.
AnonJust as waltr said in regards to adding test. Or you could just continue to run var and use this to experience a cycle, then use test on your next run as a winter bulk