Advice on stacking having Test as a base
Hi,
First a bit of myself. I have been training at good levels for the last 20 years (i'm 40) but I ran my first cycle only last year. It was 16 weeks of Test Cypionate at a low dose (300/400 week) and I ended the last 6 weeks of the the cycle with test Prop (100mg day) and NPP (200/300 week, but I did only 4 weeks so stopped it about two weeks before the Test Prop). The last part of the cycle was really ...fun. Most of my gains in strength came at that time.
PCT was Clomid and Torem and I recovered very well (my Test was actually higher than baseline two months after PCT but also felt decent).
I just started my second cycle (2 weeks in) with Test E @500/week and I kicked started it with test Prop at 100/day tapering down to 50/day these last few days. I did not pin the Prop on the days I was doing the 250 of Test E. I did the last pin of test prop today don't think I need to run it for longer I cant even look at my wife without jumping on her....
Now, tio the point. I let myself go with the shopping cart....and in addition to all the Test I bought some Primo, some Masteron and some Equipoise.
I'm a strong believer you need to test things yourself, and would like to build "experience" in this sense ...so here the crazy idea.
How would it be if I ran Test and Equipoise now to bulk a bit for say 4 weeks; then I do Test and Primo to cut (summer time) and I end the cycle in August with Test prop and Masteron?
Is it Crazy? Thoughts? Dosage advice?
Thanks
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Hey bud just curious if you thought about why the last 4 weeks of your cycle was where you made the most gains?
Yeah, that was the first thing I noticed in his comments...
I started the cycle mid august and ended it end of December. I think 2 reasons:
1) for once you know it takes a while for longer esters like Test Cyp to build up and I really started low dose at 300 Cyp/week.
2) in mid November i switched to Test Prop at 100/day and added NPP E2D at 50mg. So I upped the game quite a bit and also these are shorter esters so you really feel them quick.
My strenght increased noticeably: squats, deadlifts bench, presses, Olympic lifts were all up about 10% to 20% in one month. My bs one rep was a comfortable 140kg and that move to a 3 reps to five reps at the end. Only negative my temper got a bit shorter I mean a bit less patient ...
Hey man that's great that you know that! I just wanted to know if you realized that before you started. The fact that you have a log of sorts on your cycles is great! Now in the future you can compare cycles and build new ones to the information you have acquired. The 10% jump in your lifts makes sense since the actual test you were taking on the first half of the cycle was around 245 mg per week, (I am taking a stab that you were averaging 200 mg per shot twice a week here), compared to prop at 581 mg of actual test per week. That is over 237% test not including the NPP! No wonder you were easily pissed off! LOL!
+2 from me
Thanks everybody! I think i came to a conclusion: will leave the Equi and Primo for ..other cycles. Happy to try the Mast P though, i think makes sense at the end of the cycle when im gonna swithch from Test E to Prop. I have been training/BB. and crossfitting natty at decent levels for two decades so i know how important is diet and dedication but i guarantee you when you hit 40 which for me was a few months ago and with children....its all downhill when it comes to performance and a bit of experimenting with brain ....well makes life better and more fun!
Keep us posted...remember the saw palmetto when u start the mast p...
EQ isn't going to do anything for ya in 4 weeks. dont go complex, keep the stacks simple. Run test e for 12 weeks and try another compound thats long ester and leave it at that.
Welcome.
Agree with MedDx below would be good to know which eager of bold you have? Also assume it's Mast P and not E that you bought?
Either way 4 weeks is not long enough to bother. I would also suggest you pick a goal (bulk or cut) and stick to that through the cycle bulk and cut cycles hardly ever work out and if you really are very lean there would be no point in cutting.
All that said stacking is a bit irrelevant if your diet and training is not on point so it would be a good idea to know what your plans are for both. Now as you haven't settled on a goal it's hard to state this but if you pick one then come back and post the diet and training regimes that you feel will get your there. From there you can design your cycle and think about a stack - given its your second cycle I'm not convinced it's even needed.
X2...
Stick with the standard Test 500mg per wk run you are already doing. TP for kicker /taper and use food (calories/macros) to meet your goals. Hold the bold and other hormones...
Exactly!
I love your enthusiasm!! Welcome to EROIDs!!
Bold cyp or bold und?
Your BF% has got to be <8....you are lean...
ah yea,,,,BF was 5.7% about a month ago, I gained a bit of weight already, I'm decently strict with diet perhaps I guess less cardio and the Test
Hello, thanks for the reply. It's Bold E so yeah long half life.....and Mast Prop. So was thinking Mast prop at the end of the cycle with test prop. But really wanted to try two compounds this cycle...you're right about the enthusiasm..I discovered a whole new world last year and its like if I want to make up (as safely as I can of course) for the lost time...
The guys gave some great info up top...its calories with a macros adjusted to meet your goals, that wins over hormones, in the long run...and it is the safest...that doesnt mean you wont be able to use what you bought...it just means you are cycling smarter, which is key to keeping your gains and remaining knowledgable about using AAS.